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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:42 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:53 pm 
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Hello everyone.
Congratulations!
I hope you understand me, because my command of English is not the best.
Basically my observations are:
Previously perspective view number 4 is not left in the tank ... "Traveling" the missile giving a clear idea about where the shot had fallen.
Currently (and considering the speed of the game) should be used "marker" if it is small arms fire.
Believe it or not, like POM, I also used that kind of vision and would like to return.
In another sense, it is not easy for someone used ... as all changes in life.
The game is much more rapid now ... although I'm not sure this is all good.
Greetings everyone, I hope to find you again in the battlefield soon.
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Ah, I think the issue is caused by the new game mode not the camera.
The camera is both a gun turret view and a shot view.
When the player is playing the camera shows behind the gun.
When the shot is in the air the camera shows behind the shot.

However in this new game mode the player is almost always playing so the camera is mostly behind the gun.

There is already a new camera view that shows explosion positions.
I guess I could create a new camera view that is always behind the shot.
Does anyone not use any of the current camera views so I can reuse the keys?


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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:49 pm 
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in my case at least, lesser used keys are 1, 7 and 8...
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:32 pm 
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I mainly use 4 and 0. That is what I am talking about Gavin the old 4 would follow shot now since you are immediately shooting you jump right back to turret view. A camera that follows the shot could be used in the small camera window and could make the shooter deadly :)
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:18 pm 
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Oh.. and i guess a minor note. I'll have to review your default
textures again. Even when I set the missiles in other mods to use
purely Default projectile trails, the flame and smoke appears completely
different and almost invisible. I wasn't aware of any change in
projectile trails untill after I built it the final time for serving.


Hmm, neither was I. I'll check it out.

scorched3d\scorched\src\common\weapons\WeaponProjectile.cpp
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coming back to you now? :P

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One tiny change. well.. now i know and can correct it in all mods.
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:20 pm 
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Ah yeah, sorry about that Thrax never occured to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:23 pm 
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Ok folks. just did a barrage of tests with speed and play-mode settings.

Camera 4 isn't -Broken-. it's simply doing it's job too fast for you.
When you shoot, it is following the bullet. Untill it becomes time to
Aim again, then it jumps back to your barrel.
It can be 'Fixed' but it would take away your ability to re-aim, reshield,
and Heal while shots are in-coming. That is your Choice.

The Shot's flring speed is also scary for some, and can be put back
to 'normal' for those that wish. After some confusion, it seems that
setting the WeaponSpeed Higher will Slow down the bullets. For a 'normal'
game, the setting of WeaponSpeed = 20000 would look familliar.

Nobody should have to Leave the game due to the release of V43. They
simply have to ask the right questions of the right people.
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:47 pm 
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There are tons of bad things and things again gameplay. Dont wanna discuss all here. For me it is complete disappointment.
And it looks ugly. the chat is overloaded with colors. Players chat icon looks out of its place. Timers looks ugly too. It is not clear what they show.

Last thing i noticed. During the buying time you CANT see your opponents on the map. #-o But what you have to buy depends on your opponents and theirs positions. Does Gavin ever played his game online?

I think it is a good that the engine is real time now . it must be real time. But this doesnt meen that all game modes must be timed based. Has Roundturns been completely eliminated in all games modes?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:14 pm 
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naka wrote:
There are tons of bad things and things again gameplay. Dont wanna discuss all here. For me it is complete disappointment.


Well thanks for taking the time to help us improve.

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And it looks ugly. the chat is overloaded with colors. Players chat icon looks out of its place. Timers looks ugly too. It is not clear what they show.


Chat is the same as before just grouped into one display.
There is one time for the round, one for the current move.

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Last thing i noticed. During the buying time you CANT see your opponents on the map. #-o But what you have to buy depends on your opponents and theirs positions. Does Gavin ever played his game online?


Yeah I did wonder about this, but its been in the beta since the beginning and no one said anything.

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But this doesnt meen that all game modes must be timed based. Has Roundturns been completely eliminated in all games modes?


Yes. It was hard to see how rounds could be implemented in an RTS. However I guess for the orginal modes I could put them back in. Its not much different from a time limit really though.


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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:02 am 
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I agree that I prefer to see the tanks while buying, I thought this was mentioned by someone. On one hand perhaps I didn't say much, don't remember... I am curious to see how it changes things. I think it will speed up gameplay because people will not be poking around the map to see what they want to do.

most likely wth the fast game action style, the first move will be for everyone to take up new postions and then scope it all out. :D

Give it a chance, naka. ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:15 pm 
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I figured the not seeing players on the minimap was to speed things up also and make people be more accurate with what they buy. I did not like it at first but thought that I would give it a chance and see how it changes things.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:55 pm 
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We can always change it or make it an option.


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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:27 pm 
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BOY wrote:
I think it will speed up gameplay because people will not be poking around the map to see what they want to do.

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I figured the not seeing players on the minimap was to speed things up also and make people be more accurate with what they buy.

Nonsence.

Seeing ppl on the terrain (and the mini map too) force ppl buying proper weapons, and therefore make a quick kill. It speed the round a lot. Can U remember games whit 1-2 shots rounds, as it was before. The game was very quick.

This is the most important part of the game, and the most important subject of the strategy. U said the new scorched will look like RTS? Strategy of what? Or it is a just Real Time Shooting now?


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 Post subject: Re: Version 43 Released
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:13 pm 
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Thanks for calling my post nonsense naka I really appreciated that. The point I was making is instead of choosing your weapon by looking at the mini map you had to rely on insticnt and buy what you knew how to use vs. what you knew would make an easy kill.

Your input as an admin is valuable please continue to make suggestions on how we can improve. You have been a long time player and your opinion is valuable.
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