I stand by Acid in this incidence as I am sure he had genuine reasons for doing what he did.

The only evidence you've seen is that given by Rommel, do you honestly believe he would post any actions that would have shown the reason for the 'pooring'??

Also, we can all have our own differences with people, but it doesn't mean we'd take those into account when using 'authority'.

Can we not trust the admins to be doing their jobs and looking into matters themselves?

For those that are Formula 1 fans, would you like this place to be like that, where all the dirty laundry is done out in the open for all to see?

As i said lets turn this into a partisan issue and speculate how wrong the other side is and not care about their opinion or trying to understand where they are coming from- great job so far.

DB- I do hope there will be good resolution to this problem, you do seem just a little defensive. Do you feel i attacked you in some sense? Regulary would probably mean reoccurring , the frequency not that important but the pattern very similar.

Im not trying to blame anyone for anything, or maybe i blame everyone for everything.I just hope there will be a satisfactory way of dealing with it in the hope the same wont repeat like the changing of the seasons.

Ok Bazzz, it was just a misunderstanding, no harm done. I took it to mean, Customary, usual, or normal.




Ok, there is one thing you, and apparently POM are overlooking. That would be the dialog content of Rommel's initial post. Is that a post that can be followed up with a normal discussion? Go ahead and read it again. But before you do, replace his target admin with someone you know, you are friends with, or care about. Bottom line is, he left no room for open dialog in this forum.

I can only hope there will be found some room where you believe there is not.

My point overall is that Rommel brought this on himself (partially) though his own actions. Being a "thorn" in the side of admins and players alike brings his actions into focus.

If Acid did overstep his authority it is up to who ever gave him the admin responsibility to reprimand him, and it is up to Rom to report the "abuse", however due to Rommel's previous actions and posts here he has very little credibility. Only the players that were present in that particular game know for sure who was crossing the line.

POM, you your self has stated that Rom will "bend" the rules anyway he can. It is possible to play unfairly within the scope of the rules of any game.

After having played against Rom in his different "personalties" I would tend to take his arguments of complete "innocence" with a grain of salt. I have seen him disconnect at the very last moment of the "aiming" round, thus causing any player who targeted him to waste a shot. While not being against the rules I would have a hard time calling that "sportsman like play".

As an aside note, I have never seen you, Pom or Mrs do anything I could describe as "unsporting", and are usually a pleasure to play with/against, as are the majority of players here.

If a player does this and comes back immediately, that goes beyond poor sportsmanship. I would do something if that happened. I have not seen him do this, but I have seen others do it. Most at least have the decency not to return.

If any of you have a complaint against me, please start your own thread and don't clutter this one with nonsense.

If the red herrings were removed from this thread, it should rightly be : my original post, the replies from the admins and the post(s) from those that address the issue. The attempts to defend this most hideous act by pointing to past complaints against me, even though I was found to be doing nothing wrong are insane. Perhaps they should be saved in a special place as examples of what should be avoided in making a public reply. That not withstanding, I propose that they have no place here.

This is a serious topic that impacts the success of the game. As the orignator of the thread and the one wronged, I respectfully ask for help from the moderator.

A special THANK YOU to POM for being the first to acknowledge the issue.

You apparently failed to read the log. I had already resigned the round.



The fact that anyone would find this to be funny is beyond my ability to understand.

You apparently missed my suggestion in the post.



What do I expect now ?

Serious consideration of the issue would be nice for starters.

Since you feel the need to say something here, perhaps you could make a reply to my charge.



Thanks old buddy.

Hard to tell but if i squint i swear i see some room, am i just imagining things or does anyone else see it too? I mean it could be a bird or a plane or...

I will agree that this is not the thread for Rommel bashing. He is not on trial so we do not need character witnesses. People's opinion of him really have nothing to do with the situation. So I will politely ask for it to stop.

What I will not do is start deleting previous posts. The last thing I want is yet another complaint. I'll leave that up to the forum mods. However, I may have a different opinion of future posts simply for the purpose of criticizing him, or any other type of character assassination.

Didn't mean to call you poison Acid just the action. If admins start using there power like this out of the blue with out any real reason except that they find the action annoying and they give no warnings then people will stop trusting the admin group as a whole not just you. Your actions reflect an entire group of people who are simply trying to "police" the game. I apologize for calling you poison it was late and I was trying to type all my thoughts out quickly, I do however feel that what you did could cause some mistrust among all the admins and could ultimately hurt the game.

All right, the way I see it is like this,
There are some loopholes in the current system.

1. Registering new IDs - can be abused to defeat the ranking system.

2. Leaving after the opponent's tank cursor stops blinking - it is akin to a fast resign, opponent shoots, I leave, I don't get killed, then I come back immediately to game.

I don't think Rommel has made an official specific complaint regarding these matters on the forum, (however, I have had conversations with him regarding the 2nd matter while in a game), but instead, Rommel has been kind enough to highlight the loopholes/flaws by giving us 'live' demonstrations of how they can affect the game play - Which I say, is unfair to the players playing against him. So when one starts to play unfairly, and the other players start to notice it, then an admin comes along to play, and the other players sort of like make an unofficial complaint on the in-game chat, the admin then takes action......

OK, maybe Acid should have given him a warning first before 'pooring' Rommel, or an explanation after taking action, but given the circumstances which I have noticed lately while in-game:

1. It is a known thing that S.A.M or Lemmor doesn't talk much except maybe to compliment a good shot or to say thank you, so a warning or an attempt to communicate with him can be pointless.

but more importantly,

2. S.A.M./Lemmor/Rommel has been doing the above item #2 regularly, I am sure it is not all the time to 'just to change avatars'. Rommel is not a newb, so his actions of leaving and returning into the game will be done knowingly, ie, he knows of it's advantages and consequences.

So Rommel assumes Acid has jumped the gun, but if Rommel looks back at what he himself has been doing lately, I should think that he must have seen it coming! and given the history between Rommel and the admins AND given the history between Rommel and Acid, it was most probably a bonus for Rommel, as it 'can be made to be seen' that Acid has abused his power as an admin.

Rommel's post is about Abuse of Administrative Power. I say Acid was doing his duty, and not doing it blindly either, but with some degree of knowledge about Rommel's tactics. To a certain extent, this current issue of so called admin abuse has been created, and let, AND led to become an issue.

May I add, prior to Rommel making this complaint post, the loopholes have been discussed and are being discussed among some admins (but at a slower rate than I wish it could be ). Hopefully there will be a positive outcome from the discussions, but in the meantime, it does not mean that a player can abuse the loopholes and abuse them without expecting some sort of reaction from any admin.