Guys. Lately I have been playing with users tasfalto, mo so cazi and Gio_T. They are Italians fellas and they work as a team. I mean they first eliminate all the players that are not Italians then they start to shoot each others. My complaint is: Why don't they go to a team server? This kind of actions affect the "normal" players that play in the "Player Stats, no Bots" server.
We are a fair and Honor community and should be concerned about this kind of issue. I am a fair player and I respect the rules. Moreover these Italian guys they always speak in Italian. This is disrespectful. I ask now for the admin to take actions about this. I will really appreciate your comments.

Che.

I cannot see banning/reprimanding people for trucing,dirting.hogging. That said, it can be a problem & can cause bad feelings toward some players. I have been in games where people have seemed to truce up or use other disliked tactics also. It is all part of the game. I was there watching the game of which you refer to & it did look like they were trucing and taking you out of the game 1st. I only saw 2 rounds of that before I started playing with you all. I take it in stride & get as many kills as i can.
If I am playing when you and those players are online.....I would team up with you if you are getting ganged up on (that is all I can think of)-->Give them some of their own medicine, fight fire with fire.
I did notice they move close together (Tele,fuel)=Time to break out da funky bombs or a Huge Hog will sometimes take out 2 players at a time (if close together). This is probably not what you want to hear--Just my humble opinion my friend.

I refer you to a rule BigBear recently posted:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5192

I don't find anything necessarily wrong with trucing, but these folks are outright dishonest too. I don't particularly call for a ban or anything, but it certainly true that it's often no fun to play when they're on the server.

Case in point:

At some point, I'd played in games with them long enough to suspect trucing, but I couldn't be sure.

I joined a game, 2-3 rounds in, whereupon one of them indicated 'mcb'. I bought a some missiles, etc., but nothing else tough, because hey, they were playing MCB.

The next round, I was way down along the edge of a mountain, on the other side of the map from the two of them who had been placed closed to each other.

Everyone else in the round had been killed; they apparently didn't know I was over there. They shot at each other once, and then my missile approached them. Next shot, both towards me. At this point, I made some comment to that effect.

Next shot, sandhog. Next round, shot at me - funky. Some MCB, huh.

Obviously, when you come into a game late, you're at a disadvantage. And obviously, the servers are apparently 'FFA' as a generality. But when you come in, knowing you're joining late, and then are told it's MCB and prepare for such a game, only to get hit with non-conventionals, it's no fun. At this point, you're effectively out of it.


I've also seemed to note (though this may be purely anecdotal) that sometimes, despite their apparent skill, if two of them are the last ones remaining, and one is near dead, the other might make half-hearted shots in the direction of the other, but otherwise allow him to survive the round (and thus get the points, cash, etc.). I can't figure out how one of them can hit me halfway across the map in 2-3 shots and then miss the other that is an easy snipe away.

If it helps any, there is a place for MCB players to be told to go (besides
where we'd like to tell them to go..).

We'd made a specific MCB server before for those that can't handle
variety and challange. If you'd like, I can reopen it.
Then then next time someone calls out MCB, you can tell them to go
elsewhere and proceed to play FFA normally.

Private trucing is unavoidable with devices such as whispers and skype
around, but you can always return the favour when they are around. As
many of us have now been informed, then we can all agree to target these
characters first together.

I was joining this game just as Che had apparently had enough and was telling the trucers he was leaving. Then Che left, I hated to see him get ran off since I rarely get to play against him anymore. Trucing can be very annoying and boring but unavoidable as Thrax pointed out. Vike and I just pretty much ignored the truce thing and killed eachother many times and quickly pulled way ahead in the game. Vike would have won except that he got kicked lucky me.

I recommend ignoring them and playing the game normally people will eventually get sick of it and target them first. The one thing I didn't appreciate from them is that they were being very rude to Che (especially mo) Kahuna joined in a bit but I will have to say that T wasn't being rude when I was there.

Trucing is legal but has it's pros and cons, generally, mostly cons to the other players off course...

1 way of getting back at them is to truce back with the other players....sound it out first, let all know what is happening then have a team match... Italia vs Rest of the World! ....I know it sounds horrible but that will teach permanent trucers a lesson.

FYI, this subject has been discussed by the admins, and some of the admins have in fact told these players off. I think, if more players complain about this matter, and should their permanent trucing continue and make the game less fun for other players, then maybe a more drastic action would be taken.

But in the meantime, truce back, I say,....slowly but surely, they will begin to see the folly of their ways..

....now, being rude on the other hand, is another matter...hmmmm

i been away cause i been busy.....i told them to knowck it off........but obviously they no capeche'.

I'm on it.

Dear Che:

I am pleased that you have taken on the task of trying to ensure more fairness on the official servers. That was what I was trying to help accomplish when you demanded that I leave the game.

As you should have noticed, my question to the admins was never officially answered. This indicated to me that they are satisfied with the way things are currently structured. That being the case, it seems unfair to expect them to study the code to see if they can make changes to improve the fairness of the game.

In case you haven't noticed, some of the admins appear to occasionally engage in team play too. This is allowable and remains advantagous due to the way the servers are configured.

If you have no self respect, follow the advise from the admins and fight back using the same tactics you find to be unfair. If that isn't something you find acceptable, you have my advise on how to cope while you wait on the admins to decide that some changes are required.

Best Wishes,

Rommel

sigh..........another country heard from..

@ che
The situation you describe is irritating indeed. However, unless trucing is banned alltogether, I don't see what the admins can do about it really except mediate. As a player pretty much all you can do is ignore it or fight fire with fire. Personally I would just leave the server but I realize that is not an option that will suit everyone.

@ Romm
If you want answers maby you should start asking questions outside of the "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything" category? Out of curiosity, just how is making changes to the code (which btw is waaaaaaaaaay off base in terms of what the admins should be doing) going to solve the particular problem described in this topic? The same question goes for changing the server configuration with the tools available to the admins. While you are at it why don't you share this piece of advice you recommend che to heed?

Guys.

Truly your comments seem to be more than reasonable and acceptable. Thank you. One thing: I played against these Italian folks more than 20 times (I am not calling this issue because only one time) and they were trucing in all of them. Ok nothing I can do against trucing moreover sometimes (is important the "sometimes" word) I do it because of friendship causes and for fun understandable for anyone. But one thing is do it in a sporadic way some other is to do it all the time. I got sick telling them not to do it anymore. But they didn’t seem to care.

I really expect this my concern does not offend anyone but is a thing I wanted to share with you all.

Rommel: your comments really came out of the blue. Give me a break...

Che

Dear BigBear, et al. :

It appears that I may have misunderstood Che‘s post by thinking that he was requesting more fairness. In retrospect, perhaps all he wanted was revenge. Even though I am unable to say for certain either way, I felt that I owed you and the game the courtesy of a reply that promotes the idea that more fairness is better than more unfairness.


Being unable to conceive of a fair and indisputable method to enforce a ban on trucing, your first suggestion seems unlikely to produce more fairness. Even worse, if implemented, and left to arbitrary enforcement, it could in fact, promote less fairness. Initially, I thought that the posts encouraging Che to use the same tactics that he felt unfair were absurd but then I remembered that Che was encouraging others to gang up on players that upset him, long before this issue arose. That being the case, I now find Che, his complaint and the suggestions to fight fire with fire, to all be absurd. The third option, not playing with them, seemed reasonable at first glance but in checking the time played, it appeared that avoiding them, could prove difficult for those on a limited play schedule.

My take on team play (on the non-team servers) is that it is either fair for all, all of the time, or it isn't fair for anyone, at anytime. In light of my personal experiences with trucing admins, I am forced to conclude that it must be fair for all, all of the time. Further, I find it not only rude (Raden likes that word) but also unwise for any admin (trucer or not) to tell these players to knock it off, bother them in any manner, or encourage anyone else to do so. This is an abuse of power and does not further the goal of promoting the game.

If these Italian (Im not sure why country of origin is a concern) players have actually perfected a team style of play, then the coding issues which encourage this type of play should rightly be the focus of the admins attention, not the players. The problem isn't that players study and utilize the game structure to their advantage, this is to be expected. The problem is the reluctance of the admins to implement code changes that make certain activities less rewarding and thus, less likely to occur.

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? - Galatians 4:16

I sincerely hope that is not the case.


Perhaps you didn't notice the yellow text that linked back to the my question. Your insinuation that my question is too difficult to be properly answered by a person of reasonable intelligence is quite humorous. Thanks for the laugh. I can almost envision someone trying to dodge an equally simple question by using your example :

Police Officer: Sir, do you know how fast you were driving?
Driver : If you want answers maybe you should start by asking questions outside of the "What is the meaning of life?" category.
Police Officer: Sir, please turn off the ignition, remove the key and exit the vehicle.
Driver : What did I do wrong?
Police Officer: GET OUT OF THE CAR, NOW!

If I knew how to make the question easier to understand or easier to answer, I would. Honest Injun and scouts honor too.

If the admins (as a group) are satisfied with the way the servers are currently set up, as I suspect that they are, then logic dictates that (as a group) they do not appreciate suggestions that call for making changes to the servers. Thus, refraining from making any further suggestions for changes seems both logical and prudent.

In reply to your questions :

It appears that you have either forgotten or overlooked some of the more recent and sometimes heated discussions. I respectfully submit that typing the same things over and over, tends to do more to clutter the forum than it does to promote it's existence.

For possible solutions to discourage (not eliminate) team play, a good place to start might be Legion’s earlier thread on this topic. It is the one where he asked why nothing was being done about this and why no one (including me) objected when we witnessed it occurring in the game.

My suggestions on how to deal with the appearance of unfair play are posted in a couple of threads but perhaps the easiest one to find would be the one containing my question to the admins. If the link in my initial post (yellow text) doesn’t work, the title of the thread is Aim Bots.

If anything about this post is not factual, please point out my error(s) so that I can make a timely retraction along with whatever apology I deem to be required.

Best Wishes,

Rommel

@ Romm
I know nothing of coding as a server Admin. . . . .I am kinda like a rent a cop....without the rent. Your intellectual wit does crack me up nonetheless.
I once knew this guy that could meaningfully discuss a pencil for an hour and a half
No harm meant. . . .of course

Romm.

I didn’t read all your post because is boring. You write so long without getting into the point.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? - Galatians 4:16" Dude... Keep your religious things inside of you. I respect that. Faith is good but do not come up here telling us that this quote is an universal truth. Religion? Faith? Yourself.

And please be simple synthesize. You like theologists? Occam said: "You want to explain a phenomenon? Explain it simple as you can... do not waste too many words..."

Please dude.. give us a favor…

Che

I think its about time I say this

Rommel......SHUT UP!!


Some of your ideas and comments (some, I say) are reasonable but most of them sucks....they're somewhere near being humourously pathetic....


so.......SHUT UP!