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For me it has less to do with the game itself and more to do with the fact that most ppl I enjoyed to play/chat/talk with left.
If you are referring to the topic “Limited Dev-Thread Visibility Poll”, it seems it was deleted by its author.
As I haven’t been around much for quite some time I am not up to speed so I will keep this kind of short.
Regarding how server admins handle their business I have no opinion nor any current interest. As for moderator actions on the forum it’s pretty much up to each mod to make their judgement in any situation. As long as
Forum posts are not sacred, you need to realize is that if want to be a dictator around here, BasicallyI can be. I can ban you from these forums if I don’t like what you have to say. So the dictator description has some merit…. hmm….
doesn’t happen for no good reason I really don’t have anything to add to this discussion at the moment.
Happy belated B-Day buddy!!! 😀
I had to stop reading somewhere not far after Chopper on page 1, I do regret not being here more often to see this thread grow into adolescence at 9 pages! Nice! I know we admins are not around much, and some never, but you just have to take a sec and look at it like a legacy thing, the names that are on there don’t need to be bashed for not being around, if gavin likes to leave them then fine. It might look like a cumbersome list but adding admins is not hard to do and along list does no harm.
This thread certainly hasn’t followed a straight line and if you stopped reading at page 1 the above just makes me wanna shake my head. Critisism of the current system is not necessarily the same as bashing the admins in person or as a group. For example you have either not read or completely misunderstood the arguments I have made in this thread and in the past. As for mentioning Gavin that is getting pretty damn old by now. You know full well that he extremely rarely acts on his own accord when it comes to the politics of this community. Obviously he has the last word, but unless he is asked specifically “leaving it up to him” is nothing more than a “sweep it under the rug” tactic. Any way you slice it there are some valid and important points to be found in this thread and to just discard everything as nonsense is really sad AFAIC. Too bad, but on here history seems to be unable to do anything but repeat itself …
about locking, locking topics IMO is for too high heat flaming, otherwise gripes go in a different section of the forums, the move feature is really neat mod tool.
@pastor of muppets wrote:
These are all simple problems, get rid of the bot (which as far as I know you guys have) …
If you are referring to making code changes that will prevent it that is more of a developer thing really. Certainly you are not suggesting that it is being used by any of the admins?
@pastor of muppets wrote:
Admins are a very important part of this game and I respect the position. One thing an admin has to remember is when playing he/she is speaking for all admins, if you don’t like this I’m sorry you accepted the position it is true. If while playing someone does something you don’t like and you “yell” at them about it and or take admin action you are speaking for all admins. It is your responsibilty to know what is going on in the community and to stay up to date on forums, nothing drives me crazier than playing with an admin when I say what do you think about……(refer to a hot, controversial and or good suggestion/idea on forums) and the admin says “oh I never look at forums”. This has happened to me on several occasions.
While I agree with the the last part that admins should keep up to date with the forums, the first part about speaking on part of all the admins “live” on the servers is not really realistic. It is not possible to list and agree upon an action for every concievable situation that might arise. You see something and you act acording to your knowledge and ability. If something is not clear you talk about it and share thoughts and ideas with your colleagues. That is why votes were introduced for bans. For simpler stuff there has to be some leeway for the individual or I doubt you will find many that will do something at all in most situations out of fear of reprecussions.
@laptops Daddy wrote:
…has a level head and can speak on behalf of the admins, as opposed to the current situation where different answers are given at different times by different admins
i thought that was bigbear.
I am not an admin, just forum moderator.
Thanks chopp for that update. That wasn’t so hard was it? I don’t think I am the only one liking that a whole lot better than “we are talking in private about current events”.Now appoint someone to do a current events update on a regular basis and you will go a long way towards not having so many ppl wondering what the hell is going on …
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@ Romm & chopp
No need to get personal. If you two wanna settle some score please do so in private and don’t spoil what has been mostly constructive until this point all things considered.
Backseat moderating is neither needed nor wanted. If you wanna keep it constructive you are most welcome, otherwise keep out!
It is my opinion that things are not working as well as they should. I care less about who you are and what you did in the past and more about what you are doing now. The current setup is slow, inefficient and sometimes counterproductive AFAIC. Having said that I know and have pointed out on several occasions that change must come from within. Nevertheless I have an opinion as I always did and will keep voicing it.
Good post! However when it comes to recruiting new admins I am not so sure about public voting. There are certain qualities that are desireable in a candidate that are not necessarily taken into account. Being popular does not automatically make you a good admin.
Assuming that collective decisions on bans are still being used that is a huge problem. In reference to Raden mentioning talk about new procedures, how will you come to a concensus? Majority voting? I seriously doubt you will get even half the members to vote. If nothing else it is about fairness and credability.
The advantages of knowing the active members at all times is helpful to all and harmful to none. Please consider this idea (not me) with the respect it deserves.
List of admins memberlist.php?mode=group&g=1252 clicking on there name tells you if they are actively logging into the forums or not. It is the active list IMO.
First and foremost it would seem to me that server admins should be playing to be considered active. If we ignore that for a second then how about forum habits?
name – last visit
ebo – Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:22 pm
device – Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:02 pm
willis – Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:52 am
deathstryker – Thu May 28, 2009 11:02 pm
wowbagger – Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:42 pm
sondra – Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:00 pm
direwolf – Sun May 24, 2009 6:44 am
hwb – Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:47 pm
brain damage – Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:10 pm
loke – Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:57 pm
Surely I can’t be the only one feeling that this is sub par?
I wasn’t talking about being a productive community member, but rather about being productive as an admin. There is a vast difference. Furthermore, what I was suggesting would obviously require Gavin’s approval. It is my experience though that he will rarely act of his own accord unless asked to make a decision. If he says no then that’s just fine, but I’d rather have that than the whole subject simply being ignored.
Good post on page 3! The one thing I don’t agree with, which was expanded on in the post on page 4, is preventive thread locking. The “Minority Report” approach does not quite fly with me.
Personally I do believe that any policy changes will have to start from within and it will be very interesting to see what will come of all of this. Regarding that I have a suggestion. How about appointing someone that can post information that you as a group want to make public? It can be about group decisions, rule updates, etc etc. Sort of a liasion for public relations. Possibly it could ease the whole “cloaks & daggers” feeling that I think some might percieve at times.
It’s too bad really that you have to bury the good ideas you actually do have under a huge pile of unnecessary blabber and pettiness. You push for answers to your own questions but rarely answer any directed at you. If you indeed are trying to be a voice for the players, let me say as one of them that you are not doing a very good job. Few others would keep me from speaking up when I actually do agree with you simply because you are being such a prick about it. Too bad indeed …
As the topic that was closed was in “General and Gameplay” I must assume that apache closed it as a moderator and not a server admin. Even though he is both the two roles should not be seen as one by anyone in general and not by apache in particular. Either way it was a bad call AFAIC, but dragging (all of) the server admins into this seems a bit unfair IMO.
Quite frankly I am a bit unsure exactly what the core of this discussion is but I will present a theory nevertheless. As far as I can figure out without anyone saying it flat out or in those words exactly is that there is a level of concern over the judgement qualities of some members of the server admin crew. In addition it is plain to see that several or even most of the listed admins don’t even play the game anymore. These factors in turn lead to ppl questioning the rules by which they are supposed to abide. As they are not very clear (I am talking about the admin rules & guidelines in general NOT server FFA rules specifically) the system relies heavily on having level headed admins that enjoy the support of the community. If they do not there might be trouble if enough players start to complain. IMO that has been a long time coming but if that time is now remains to be seen.
I am not sure if a reform is needed or if the old system could once more be successful after a spring cleaning. AFAIC the first priority if anything is to be changed is to get rid of the “dead weight” in the form of admins that haven’t done squat for years. Whatever happens after that can take several successful forms as I see it but nothing is ever gonna happen the way it is now in its current bloated form. The main reason among many why I quit the server admin crew was that I could not see a way to serve the community in a productive manner. Sadly few if any others have taken a similar path.
Leave it as is. It takes an effort to get there and if you do it is up to the other team to limit you to one shot. If they lack counters for your shield/dirt/whatever that you put up to stay on the spot it is their mistake and they should pay the price.
No problem Big Bear, I understood many posts back that the sticky note might be a little too “sticky” for you to alter on your own. That is why I suggested that one of the admins might want to drop you a note requesting that you provide additional details.
As for having a right to propose a definition, I think that we all have that right, even you.
I’m sorry that you don’t see it that way, especially since I had counted on you to provide the clarification.
Offcourse you can make a proposition, but like the Nut said your initial post seemed more like a statement than anything else and so I could not resist a stab at that. I don’t suppose you noticed the 😉 and the 😛 Mr read-my-posts-carefully-before-you-reply? 😛
I do agree that the server rules probably could use a revision and yes you made some good suggestions (like the last paragraph about the exploit for example). Should any such list be produced I suggest that the admins create a new sticky so I can delete my obsolete one.
Just to be clear. As I am no longer an admin, updating the official ruleset is no more my business than it yours Rommel. 😉 😛
The above mentioned rule was made to clarify a previous unwritten rule that you can’t force ppl to play mcb on main for example. At that point in time it was becoming a problem so clarification was needed to settle things. In that context FFA can hardly be misinterpreted and should not require further explanation.
Other than that specific rule, the rules & guidelines are the only rules that exist in any formal capacity as far as I know. Anything else is really up to the discretion of the admin crew. I am sure that there exists many opinions whether that is a good or a bad thing. Love it or hate it, but that is the way it is.