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  • #55209

    Stil8
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    @boy wrote:

    we’ve gotten down to debate of basic human nature – excellent! 😀

    Well, as I examine the conspiracies like REX 84 FEMA camps, Skull and Bones Society, NWO, JFK, 9/11, RFID, CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, HAARP, Lucifer Project, UFOs, Human organ harvesting and abductions, CFR, Bilderburg group, World Bank, Masons, Global Warming, mind control…. and others, I am reminded that I have faith in my Salvation through Christ Jesus. The gates of hell will not prevail….

    Nevermind, Marxism and Capitalism will both take a back seat to a world king that will set up an eternal kingdom here on earth. Yes, Jesus was a real, perfect, man who was born of a virgin, (no, not on Dec 25 like Zeitgeist says… sigh) then lived, preached, and died. This kingdom will resemble the kingdom of Solomon (but without the pagan wives) 😉

    Whether it happens in the next 5 years or 100 years is of no consequence, it will happen. Bring on the Apocalypse! I promise it will be really amazing when the demon locusts come up from the pit of hell.

    Sort of a paradoxical post: you start with an eternal kingdom and end up with locusts from hell… =D> You’ve just watched ‘The Mist’ (2007) haven’t you?

    But it does not matter… Solomon died and his kingdom with him! Not to mention that no one really knows what exactly happened with Solomon and Jesus. So many people have translated (rewritten) the bible, that the word of God has turned into a mere letter.

    So the modern bible ain’t the best source… But it is a good read; as childish as it may seem, I still like reading fairy tales from time to time.

    Human nature is a broad ‘thing’ to have spirited debate over…
    But I still say that some parts of human nature have changed:
    The cradle of humankind (Southern Africa) is a very different environment than the one most of us live in now… Human nature must have changed to some extent to allow us to survive in this new world. After all, it was originally formed to allow us to survive in the savanna; and life, in my opinion, is not made to survive in an environment that does not exist yet…

    #55210

    HumanBean
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    DeathBal – I completely agree with you. I think our views are almost identical; at least in the respect of government as we know it. You are right – I meant we’re a democratic-republic. A pure democracy, as tested out in Greece originally, had such large transactions costs that it failed.

    Boy – You scare the hell out of me. 😀 Haha, just playing around. I agree with Str^^8 that the Bible has been translated over time so much that it is hard to tell. About 10 years ago I was much more into that, but remember reading that King James (for the KJ version) intentionally had parts of the new testament changed. For example, homosexually was added in as being sinful and drunkards, too. I’m just skeptical, but to each his own.

    Str^^8 – Not sure I follow your argument over communism but government not having control over individuals lives? Hitler and Stalin; yes, these were extremes. But doesn’t a communistic structure promote dictatorship? There is no balance of power — power is concentrated in the government, and therefor dictatorship results.

    #55211

    BigBear
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    @humanbean wrote:

    DeathBal – I completely agree with you. I think our views are almost identical; at least in the respect of government as we know it. You are right – I meant we’re a democratic-republic. A pure democracy, as tested out in Greece originally, had such large transactions costs that it failed.

    Since we are knitpicking, you do realize that this “pure” democracy you refer to did not include women and slaves right? 😉 Democracy in it’s absolute form is just as impossible to implement as Marxism.

    @humanbean wrote:

    Boy – You scare the hell out of me. 😀 Haha, just playing around. I agree with Str^^8 that the Bible has been translated over time so much that it is hard to tell. About 10 years ago I was much more into that, but remember reading that King James (for the KJ version) intentionally had parts of the new testament changed. For example, homosexually was added in as being sinful and drunkards, too. I’m just skeptical, but to each his own.

    I think the notion of an impending apocalyse and an earthly kingdom of God fits perfectly in this topic among the rest of the idealistical pipe dreams. To each his own indeed.

    #55212

    Raden
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    E.I.E


    🙂 humblest apologies

    #55213

    Acid22
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    I think you all need to relax.
    Once I’m in power I’ll sort everything out 😀
    If you know me then you are guaranteed a position of ridiculous power & status anyway.
    I’m planning to take over the world in April as I’m a bit busy this month.
    PM me any requests & I’ll see what I can do.

    The ‘Voice of Reason Party’s time is upon us 😉

    Acid

    #55214

    bazzz
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    Pfff… April, you`ll be too late, soon i will unleash my army of selfreplicating braincontroller-nanobots. As soon as any of you have a dissenting thought they will render you unconcious, good luck with your world domination when all thoughts are under my control.

    Resistance will be futile,after i built the first one that is. Better get back to work,where did i put my my nanotweezers?

    #55215

    Stil8
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    @humanbean wrote:

    Str^^8 – Not sure I follow your argument over communism but government not having control over individuals lives? Hitler and Stalin; yes, these were extremes. But doesn’t a communistic structure promote dictatorship? There is no balance of power — power is concentrated in the government, and therefor dictatorship results.

    What you are describing is a dictatorship, but I see communism as the government having total power over the economy and the economy alone…
    And if communism doesn’t work that way, we’ve all heard the term ‘benevolent dictator’ haven’t we? As long as a person with a heart and a brain is in power I don’t care if I have freedom or not: happiness and equality are way more important… The problem is that the last known person with a heart and a brain was Princess Diana and look where she ended up: assassinated by terrorists who drugged Henri Paul with alcohol… ahem *Bush* ahem.
    Same with Che Guevara: assassinated by the fascist CIA in cold-blooded murder… But it is to be expected, unlike psycho killers, capitalist politicians and organizations have no ethics whatsoever…

    BigBear:
    total non-misogynist Democracy or Marxism are 100% possible to implement; the only thing stopping them is bad leadership… All that people need to do is brainwash someone into becoming 100% selfless and put him/her in charge; and all is quiet on the northern front… And don’t argue with me on this one: if people can be brainwashed into thinking that the very small benefits of capitalism are worth the pain and suffering of third worlds and physically/mentally disabled then we can be brainwashed into thinking just about anything…

    #55216

    Deathbal
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    total non-misogynist Democracy or Marxism are 100% possible to implement; the only thing stopping them is bad leadership… All that people need to do is brainwash someone into becoming 100% selfless and put him/her in charge; and all is quiet on the northern front… And don’t argue with me on this one: if people can be brainwashed into thinking that the very small benefits of capitalism are worth the pain and suffering of third worlds and physically/mentally disabled then we can be brainwashed into thinking just about anything…

    I see where you are going, and it is truly noble of you. But in order to get a society full of people that are 100% selfless, you would need very good brainwashers, and a lot of them.

    People are selfless now. Selfless when it comes to their family and sometimes friends. But it will not be easy to get an entire society to care about people they do not know.

    You can’t totally get rid of classes altogether. A doctor, lawyer, architect, will never be paid the same as a waitress or doorman. Because if that were the case, i’d want to be the doorman.

    I like individualism with the opportunity to move up or down. That inspires creativity. It is the driving force behind hard work. To take that away is to take away our humanity. I truly believe that. Can you imagine humans living and working as ants and bees do? I can’t.

    #55217

    BOY
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    @Stil^^8 wrote:

    What you are describing is a dictatorship, but I see communism as the government having total power over the economy and the economy alone…

    Okay, so all freedom is good except economic freedom…. I see now! Of course! Bring on the mark of the beast, I feel much better. =P~ The most funny thing is that you take yourself seriously.

    And if communism doesn’t work that way, we’ve all heard the term ‘benevolent dictator’ haven’t we? As long as a person with a heart and a brain is in power I don’t care if I have freedom or not: happiness and equality are way more important…

    ah, the happy slave doing his work. Very good little marxist, lovely. Just stand there and do this or that and ask no questions while we kill off these freedom loving people.

    It is a well established fact that total power always currupts those that have it. Except that no one ever seeks total power unless they already are completely corrupt. Anyone who actually believes in freedom does not seek dictatorship.

    #55218

    Stil8
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    @boy wrote:

    @Stil^^8 wrote:

    Okay, so all freedom is good except economic freedom…. I see now! Of course! Bring on the mark of the beast, I feel much better. =P~ The most funny thing is that you take yourself seriously.

    Economic freedom is what allows for corporations to exploit people all over the world (globalization). Obviously this kind of freedom ain’t good!

    ah, the happy slave doing his work. Very good little marxist, lovely. Just stand there and do this or that and ask no questions while we kill off these freedom loving people.
    Aren’t capitalists doing the same thing… I say they are!

    It is a well established fact that total power always currupts those that have it. Except that no one ever seeks total power unless they already are completely corrupt. Anyone who actually believes in freedom does not seek dictatorship.
    Any form of power can corrupt… And if people don’t seek total power then why must we be unequal.

    #55219

    BOY
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    Equality… that last statement you made doesn’t really make sense.

    Equality is a myth. All people are not born with certain human rights for practical purposes, you know as a fact that many are born into slavery. We should end slavery, of course, but you still won’t ever have equality. It isnt possible just like utopia is not possible. Common ownership is also not equality, someone is always in power or authority as ‘adminstrator’ or president or something. Yes, power corrupts, but my point is that TOTAL power is TOTALLY corrupt, and there is a difference.

    Any system in which everyone is equal is called Anarchy. Which, in a sense you might say is “fair” but it sure ain’t a nice way to go. Deep down we’re all killers, isn’t that what the movies tell us? You do believe in movies don’t you.

    I am not going to defend “capitalist society” because there is injustice everywhere, and yes, starving people everywhere in the world. But the people I live with donate money, we work in shelters, we hand out food to bums… and corporations take the money and they make slaves with it. We are slaves as well, but we are currently slaves with food. You are too. Freedom and free markets doesn’t mean we have to all be “capitalists”

    The battle between Capitalism and Marxism is becoming irrelivant. The Chinese have “shown us how to do it”. Feed some, kill others, let most people think they’re free. When a crisis comes, just let the people kill each other for resources…. See, its easy. A million die, and a billion are saved, so all is well again.

    Oh, and you can’t believe in God, forgot that part. Oh, or that the sun warms the earth, no no, its deffinitely that toxic gas Carbon Dioxide. People who believe otherwise are terrorists!

    Don’t believe the lies Stil’ :^o

    #55220

    Stil8
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    Sorry you think that way, but communism isn’t a lie and it is possible… It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not: a hammer and sickle IS going to be placed on the flag of your country one day and will stay there until the very end of our species, which might not be that far if everyone thinks like you!…

    I have no faith in God, that’s true, but that’s because all my faith is in my comrades! And if we fail, then the reaper will get his way…

    #55221

    BOY
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    The ultimate foolishness is to believe that there is no God. And naturally communism fits your view since you have no faith. You believe that we are basically “good” and that humanity can solve its own problems without God, or maybe even without even laws. Ahh yes, simply avoid the problems altogether until they all go away, yay for anarchy 😀

    History has proven without a shadow of a doubt that such a view is completely and utterly idiotic and gets lots of people killed, and mostly on purpose, yay for Stalin — Down with the Christians ! 🙁

    #55222

    bazzz
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    Thats self confirming if you are a believer, how about if you instead of believing there is no god you dont believe in any god. Would there be a difference in your opinion? Personally i have never had a religion or a reason to believe in a deity.

    Also, the thought of a pure communist or socialist system is not realisable in this world, but there are many who seem to be scared to death as in their minds it is already happening. Making allsorts of outlandish connections between liberal,social,racist and facism. Its hyperbolic to say the least, delusional if taken seriously.

    Since you brought up The Great Left Conspiracy or Antropogenic Global Climatechange i suppose we are going to have a discussion about it?

    #55223

    Stil8
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    @boy wrote:

    The ultimate foolishness is to believe that there is no God. And naturally communism fits your view since you have no faith. You believe that we are basically “good” and that humanity can solve its own problems without God, or maybe even without even laws. Ahh yes, simply avoid the problems altogether until they all go away, yay for anarchy 😀

    History has proven without a shadow of a doubt that such a view is completely and utterly idiotic and gets lots of people killed, and mostly on purpose, yay for Stalin — Down with the Christians ! 🙁

    Well although it would seem as the ultimate foolishness, this is not!

    The ultimate foolishness is to believe that a species can survive for over 1000 years, if over 75% of its members are trying to kill/enslave each other; and the only thing keeping them under control are prophetic visions experienced by members of the same species!?

    Humans have been here for 200,000 years now…We are and were good and will be good, or we wouldn’t be here…

    The social system of ants and bees is the most stable and advanced one… If some insects can achieve a virtually unbreakable system, why can’t we, a supposedly more evolved and intelligent race…

    It’s simple evolution, Boy…
    You keep believing in these fairy-tales of yours; but humans can be good and selfless with or without a God…

    When will people learn… Stalin was a psychopathic fascist, and a stupid one at that. He basically wanted to take over the world! He was Hitler’s competition… The USSR was doing fine ’till he showed up.

    Plus do you really think the church is a good example of what God is? Just look at them back through history… The most ruthless monarchs seem like peace-obsessed hippies compared to the church…
    And even to this day, religion has a death toll higher than the death tolls of fascism, communism and capitalism combined!

    I don’t trust history… It must have been re-written a lot to make systems like capitalism look good.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but unlike you, I have faith in people’s goodness.

    You cannot change my view, and I cannot change yours; only time can show us which view is better.

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