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  • #6938

    Deathbal
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    You see it in anti virus software, anti trojan trojan software, registry software, driver update software, just to list a few. There are many many more that do this one thing that bugs the crap out of me. Use the word FREE to try and get you to buy their product.

    Now I have no problem with devs that want to be paid for their work, it’s their method that aggrivates me. They’ll use terms like “The download is totally free” Or, “Free anti virus scan”. Just to find out that in order for any problem to be fixed, you have to buy it. So now you have (in many cases) wasted 1 hour of your time to find out you have been tricked into buying their product.

    I would have no problem buying their product if they were up front about the price. But since they’ve used the back door to try and get me to buy their product, what else have they done to try and lure me in? Did their scan fabricate some errors just to make it look bad enough for me to buy? The answer is yes they do. At least some of them.

    Just today I was looking to buy a driver update program. I could not find a single site that produced a price. Everyone of them required you do DL and run a scan before you were sent to their billing section. I DLed a few, removed them, and gave up.

    #56787

    Laptops Daddy
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    @deathbal wrote:

    Just today I was looking to buy a driver update program. I could not find a single site that produced a price.

    dont you dare!

    and i should hope not.

    driver update program! youre a sick man, dbal

    theres a reason you wont find a legitimate ‘driver update program’. the very concept is a scam. and a sham. and, i just threw up a little bit. damn you!

    #56788

    Viking62
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    Just trying to help DB, (I pillaged this ditty from some website-Hope it helps you)

    I go to the parent website of the device I want to update drivers & D/L them 😉

    It’s always better to use a driver provided by the maker of the device rather than use the built-in Windows driver. It is usually more up-to-date and better written.

    You should update a driver if a device is working strangely, too. The odd behavior can be attributed to a bug in the existing driver.

    To update a driver, you’ll need to retrieve it from the device maker’s Web site. Most peripheral makers have a support or customer care area on their Web site that contains driver files. Drivers also come on floppy disks or CDs that you have got with the device. Still, it is better to get the latest driver from the device manufacturer’s Web site. If you need help in finding a driver, look at these sites: driverguide.com or windrivers.com or driverzone.com or drivershq.com or perhaps mrdriver.com.

    Before you find the right driver, you’ll need to figure out the make and model of the device you are updating. This usually isn’t hard. You will most often find this information in the manual of the device. It could be also on (or on the underside) of the device itself in the case of a printer or scanner and some other peripherals.

    If the device is attached inside the computer, like an internal modem or video card, you can usually find out about it using the Windows “System” program found in the Control Panel area of your Start menu. Click the Start button, then Control Panel, then System then click Device Manager.

    A list of devices and their various names will appear under headings on the left-hand side. For example, click the plus sign (+) next to “Components” and then “Display” to see which video card is installed or click CD-ROM under “Multimedia” to see which CD-ROM drive is installed.

    Once you have the device name, you’ll be able to find the correct driver on the manufacturer’s Web site. When you click on the file containing the driver package, your Web browser will prompt you to run or download the file. Select “Download” and then specify a folder on your computer to save it to.

    Your best bet is to click the desktop symbol on the top right of the download box. In Windows 95/98, this looks like a tiny blotter and pencil. In Windows ME, click the desktop icon on the left column of the dialog box. If you have Windows XP, click the symbol that looks like a folder with an up-arrow in it. Repeat until “Desktop” shows as your selected folder. In Windows Vista, click the Desktop folder on the left side of the window in the “Folders” list.

    This will save the driver package to your desktop so it will be easy to find.

    The driver will then download. When it finishes, close your Web browser and create a folder on your desktop. To do this, right-click with your mouse on the desktop and choose “New” and then “Folder”. Enter a name for the folder — something like “driver files”. Now, right-click on the downloaded file, hold your mouse button down and drag it to the folder. Release the mouse button and select “Move”. The file will move to the “driver files” folder.

    Now, open the “driver files” folder by double-clicking on it. Then, double-click the file you downloaded. The file will expand and uncompress all the items inside it and list them in the “driver files” folder. Sometimes, it won’t uncompress because it is in ZIP format. You can tell this by its .zip extension. You can use an unzip utility such as WinZip. Under Windows ME and XP and Vista, ZIP file management is built into the system. You just have to double click on a Zip file to see and work with its contents.

    Now comes the part where you update the actual driver. Open your Control Panel. Click Start, (then pick Settings in 95/98/Me) then Control Panel. Double click the System icon and choose the Device Manager tab. Find the device for which you want to update the driver. Click the plus sign (+) next to the various categories, click on the device you want to update, and then click on “Properties” and the “Driver” tab.

    Then click the “Update Driver” button. A dialog box will walk you through the process. Choose “Display a list of drivers …,” then choose the “Have Disk” button and use the dialog box to find the “driver files” folder you created on your desktop. Choose the “.INF” file in that folder and click OK. The system will update the appropriate driver. If there is more than one .INF file, try each one until you get a successful install. Finally, reboot your machine so that the new driver can take effect.

    #56789

    Deathbal
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    Aah yes, it is easy enough just going through device manager. You are too kind, Vik. The problem i had was using old drivers when I had to reinstall my OS.

    #56790

    Deathbal
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    @laptops Daddy wrote:

    @deathbal wrote:

    Just today I was looking to buy a driver update program. I could not find a single site that produced a price.

    dont you dare!

    and i should hope not.

    driver update program! youre a sick man, dbal

    theres a reason you wont find a legitimate ‘driver update program’. the very concept is a scam. and a sham. and, i just threw up a little bit. damn you!

    No I did not buy anything. But my point was that they do it with all types of software, not just the driver programs.

    #56791

    1shybastid
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    Agreed DB.I too have been sucker’d into believing its “free” software.It took me 3 times to understand it IS a free download to intentify potencial problems.
    Takes me a while to catch on sometimes.
    Of course AFTER they identify the problems,you have to pay to remove the problems.
    One of the companies I downloaded would even remove some of the malware for free,however,if you wanted to remove the BAD ones,that’ll cost ya.
    I have been extremly satified with “advanced windows care2″for purging crap off my system.I have to use it almost every time I surf,especially if my kids go to their websites,but very effective.It IS free for personal use.
    As far as drivers go,Vike is right.Direct manufacturer website is best.
    I bought “Driver Doctor” 3 years ago for 50bucks.They garuantee lifetime drivers
    for up to 3 machines.So far,Ive been pleasantly surprized how well they’ve kept drivers updated.

    #56792

    tumbleweed
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    To be honest DB, unless there is a specific problem, there isn’t any reason to update drivers.

    So unless there is a performance problem, a security bug or a new feature, just leave them as is.

    And yes, many of those “driver update” programs are nothing but scams. I can’t actually think of any I’d recommend.

    #56793

    Deathbal
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    Most of the crap are scams. They trick you into DLing the product, running the software, and then tell you they found all of these things. It’s all BS to get you to buy.

    The problem I has was after reinstalling XP. I had all VERY outdated drivers but am slowly replacing them. At one point I could not even load Scorched.

    #56794

    Crispy Critter
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    Part of the problem is with the English language itself. 😉 Spanish, French, etc. distinguish between free as in “free beer” (gratis) and free as in freedom (libre).

    That being said, beware of fake antivirus and antispyware programs – they often entice people with “free” scans that find all sorts of trouble :^o and then demand payment – then when you pay for it, it turns out to spyware in its own right.

    #56795

    xtc
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    Not sure if it is serious, but if you once got a rotten melon by your own mistake you dont consider all melons taste like that, do you?

    You should have less trust in what is written. Anyone can write anything in the internet.

    If you are interested in something, how about trying to get information about it first? You just type in the search “best free antivirus review” or “driver update software review” or something like that.

    And then you read it, better from several places. You should consider what sources of information are reliable. You may like to find out about the source itself first.

    Yeah, if the webpage has half of its area with dubious ad links – thats probably not a reliable one. Software and computer magazines and things like that can be good.

    Good reviews will always point the disadvantages of the software. You have to choose yourself.

    And download it from reliable source, too.

    I personally use a lot of free software. Only few examples are Avira Antivir on my XP computer, Free Download Manager (which is opensource even for those who cares), FileZilla, used once Wise Registry Cleaner 4 on a Vista computer – couple mouse clicks from the safemode helped to make that stupid system working again when it went insane. Opera’s free as well (which browser isn’t?). Its all great and I am very satisfied with it.

    As for the driver update sofware, I’ve just googled it and was surprised such thing really exists. But its pretty much of a fake, making money on people’s lack of understanding. You can do it yourself without many troubles, and you don’t need to update anything if things work fine.

    #56796

    Laptops Daddy
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    ok, im cool. just needed a little breathing time.

    i wanted to say, its not just the fact that drivers are free anyway that makes the concept so dubious. theres also the angle that a driver update can actually cause problems.

    automated updates are the bane of many an admin, with even updates labelled ‘critical for security’ having potential to do far more harm than good in some cases.

    a driver update of any kind can easily cripple your system. dont be put off updating things like graphics card drivers if youre having problems, but you must be in control of these kinds of updates.

    remember the old mantra if it aint broke, dont fix it.

    heres another: the best things in life are hugely expensive. (and if you think i got that wrong, youre probably poor, like me : ) anyway, this does apply to software. but there are exceptions. always remember to search for ‘open source’ as a substitute keyword for ‘free’.

    as with shareware, its hard to filter through all the crap, but there are some gems.

    ps:
    remember this “critical security update” from microsoft?

    you thought it was a pirate copy. it is now

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