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  • #7160

    apache64d
    Participant

    as from today (or when gavin gets my pm) I’m leaving my “duty” as forum admin.
    Due to the recent way of how things are going here lately I have decided to quit being forum admin.
    (after u acid).
    I’m still online game admin.

    E.

    #59455

    Acid22
    Participant

    Hi Apache, & everyone,

    Sorry you feel you had to that Apache. I actually resigned a couple of days before we had our new Admins. It was for other reasons at the time but I am fairly stunned by the new appointments.
    This is not a personal attack on PoM or Rommel. As both of you are avid followers of the rules, I am amazed you accepted the positions without there being any consulatation or vote among the remaining admins. You must have known that this ‘was’ the process?? This is how it came about that was I was asked………not now?

    Lastly and in my opinion the worst part:…anyone who reads the forums lately can read that Boy has made a lot of changes, again without any consulatation.(some of which I actually liked) Some long standing players and Admins expressed their disapproval and were told to deal with it. The two biggest posters of praise for him & his changes were were PoM & Rommel…………………….Ta Da!!! New Admins. It smells like ‘jobs for the boys’ to me.
    If I had been appointed with no vote then I know who would have jumped on that one 🙄

    I think it does not bode well for the game as whole. I still love playing but don’t see why I should’nt post this here!! Obviously I’m not privy to the Admin forums any more.
    I have had a few conversations/pm’s from other ‘well known’ players who have just ‘had enough, lost interest or given up’.

    Sort it out before you drive away quite a few of the ‘older’ players ………….unless that’s the plan of course 😀

    Please note again: However much it may read like it… This is not a personal attack on PoM or Rommel.

    Look forward to your constructive replies

    Acid

    #59456

    Raden
    Participant

    Hi Apache,

    Was there ever a ‘forum admin’ post? Or are you referring to the ‘forum moderator’ post?

    #59457

    Rommel
    Participant

    Hi Acid :

    Speaking only for myself here …

    I understand everyone’s concern, you too Apache, and am not offended.

    Not realizing that you had already left, it seems that I was a bit late in
    urging you to reconsider. However, according to my unofficial under-
    standing of the recent but yet to be codified discussion on admins :

    Once an admin, always an admin seemed to be the opinion unless you
    were removed by the group. Thus, those that have removed themselves
    are essentially taking a vacation. This would seem to include Big Bear,
    Brain Damage, Raden, Rob, Willis, you and anyone else that was not
    removed from the group, by the group.

    I urge all of you that still read these forums to
    reconsider your vacations and to return to duty.

    BOY rightfully siezed the vacated leadership position and used it to
    make some changes without consulting the rest of the group. However,
    the group had fallen into disarray because of the loss of the previous
    leader, the subsequent failure of anyone else to effectively take command
    and the eventual failure of the group structure to be maintained.

    When the stucture required to maintain a group gives way, martial law
    provides an effective means of providing the stability required to reform.

    Now for a little needed sillyness …

    As for the rules and my knowledge of them :
    (I liked that … you throw a good jab)

    I accepted the position as a temporary assignment.
    (but I blocked it.)

    I searched for rules on temporary positions and can’t seem to find them.
    (I return in kind)

    Can you provide me with a link?
    (then follow with a right hook.)

    Best wishes to all,

    Rommel

    #59458

    Hyde911
    Participant

    @rommel wrote:

    BOY rightfully siezed the vacated leadership position and used it to
    make some changes without consulting the rest of the group. However,
    the group had fallen into disarray because of the loss of the previous
    leader, the subsequent failure of anyone else to effectively take command
    and the eventual failure of the group structure to be maintained.

    I appreciate that he took this responsibility. But he seems to completely ignoring all criticism. And now You and PoM (as Acid equitably noticed: “two biggest posters of praise for him & his changes”) became admins. It stinks. Many old players (including me) feel disregarded.

    #59459

    Acid22
    Participant

    Rommel,

    If you read the list of admins I am not there. So unfortunately you are incorrect.

    It is too late. I asked for my Admin access to be removed and it has. I have no wish to return as I feel I can have a realistic opinion on the public forums.

    There is no rule on temporary positions I should think…………..maybe asking the other admins before doing it anyway would have at least have been polite??. Looks like the question was not asked because the reply would have been unsuitable. IMO of course.

    There is no English law to say that I can’t borrow my neighbours car. Asking first though is generaly what you do??. Otherwise it’s stealing.

    ‘Honestly officer…….I’m only borrowing it’

    Arguing a point like ‘where does it say that then’, I reserve for my children.

    Oh yeah, here’s the link you requested

    http://socialistworker.org/2003-2/462/462_08_Stalin.shtml

    Acid

    #59460

    Rommel
    Participant

    Maybe you are right and I am wrong but you weren’t
    kicked out and all things considered, I don’t think that
    being a little steamed would be considered too unusual.

    Or how about this :

    You can all sit in the corner with your lips stuck out if you
    like but I’m not going anywhere unless you lazy twits get
    off of your arses and push my wheel chair down the stairs.

    #59461

    Acid22
    Participant

    “Maybe you are right and I am wrong but you weren’t
    kicked out and all things considered, I don’t think that
    being a little steamed would be considered too unusual.”

    I told you, I resigned. I’m not steamed. Just pointing out some facts as I see them. As I am now ‘outside looking in’ I just think it smells a little of cow poo.

    Just wondered if anyone else had an opinion?

    That will do me for the moment =D>

    #59462

    Laptops Daddy
    Participant

    apache, i always thought you made a good game admin. (and maybe a good moderator) (your english seems better now than it ever was. (impressive : )

    arent game admins really just here to do a job in-game? you dont need to get on. we’re talking about forum moderators. a game admin’s only real responsibility is to keep the game clean, maybe keep an eye on game chat and kick or ban the odd idiot?

    i think both pom and rommel make excellent choices there, and boy is one of only a few admins still around who has enough understanding of the game settings to make changes confidently. everyone here is aware of the fading activity on the servers lately. boy is just doing his best to spice things up a bit. (i dont really like the changes either, but i dont care that much). we clearly needed (and still need) some changes if this game is going to recover some of its popularity.

    forum moderators are something different.

    i think it takes a certain kind of person to moderate forums as diverse as these. impartiality, understanding of that diversity, a level head and clear boundaries. i couldnt do it, im too abrasive (and/or passive : )

    pastor and boy, i know you both have quite strong world views that are a bit obscure by european standards. that concerns me a bit, given some of the slightly heated debates ive seen in off topic that i know will rub you up the wrong way.

    for two pennies, i know and trust pom and boy quite well with all the contact we’ve had on these forums and in-game. i know both have what it takes to separate that stuff from objective moderating and i think overall, youre both good choices.

    #59463

    Raden
    Participant

    I think Apache is saying he is not gonna moderate the forums anymore, but still be an in-game admin. Thats not such a bad loss, (still a loss though), at least he is still an admin.

    As for the appointments of PoM and Rommel, I am glad for them and for their addition to the admin personnel. However, how they were picked (from what I gather, it could be non SOP), can be a subject of debate…but if I had been given the chance to vote, I probably would have voted for them.

    2 of the most vocal non-admins, of recent times, lets hope, for the game, for the person/people who put them there, and for themselves, they prove that they deserve to be there and do a good job.

    (edit) I’m not saying it smells better ‘out’ here, but I can breathe easier on the ‘outside’. I think we all (non admins) can contribute just as much to the game, from the outside, just as long as we have admins willing to listen and give due consideration to our requests and feedback. BTW, I think BoY has been doing a good job. He has been listening. The initial changes in the Main server settings, I did consider as not good, but now it seems that (after several more changes), it is beginning to turn out alright. This is where our feedback is important, for the admins to reevaluate their actions, and possibly amend it, if and when required.

    #59464

    pastor of muppets
    Participant

    Acid I take no offense at all. I have been quiet lately and for a reason. I realize that I was appointed as Raden says outside of SOP and if I saw a lot of objections to it I would and will step down. I haven’t heard much that convinces me that I need to do so but I am watching carefully.

    #59465

    ArmorWraith
    Participant

    Sorry to Hear Apache. 🙁
    Acid, I regret your leaving. 😕

    Rom & Pom Grats, wish you luck in your new roles. =P~

    Lets see how this ends up, this is an interesting turn of events. =D>

    Kanga

    #59466

    Rommel
    Participant

    Hi Hyde :

    Your assertion that BOY is ignoring criticism is not correct. He may appear to
    be ignoring some of it but has made changes based on feedback all the same.

    Under martial law, he is the absolute ruler, there are no votes. Not to say
    that martial law is a good idea for long term rule, just that it is sometimes
    required in order to be able to restructure the group.

    Water your freedoms with your sweat
    or water their graves with your tears.

    In this case, it was required.
    @hyde911 wrote:

    @rommel wrote:

    BOY rightfully siezed the vacated leadership position and used it to
    make some changes without consulting the rest of the group. However,
    the group had fallen into disarray because of the loss of the previous
    leader, the subsequent failure of anyone else to effectively take command
    and the eventual failure of the group structure to be maintained.

    I appreciate that he took this responsibility. But he seems to completely ignoring all criticism. And now You and PoM (as Acid equitably noticed: “two biggest posters of praise for him & his changes”) became admins. It stinks. Many old players (including me) feel disregarded.

    As for BOY’s appearence of surrounding himself with supporters :

    This would be an intelligent course of action for one attempting to sieze the
    Imperium. However, had BOY simply wanted lackeys that would not present
    him with compelling arguments and serious opposition when required, he could
    have choosen much better allys than POM and I.

    Would any player (old or new) feel degraded if attacked in mass by the admins
    and were publicly punished and accussed of playing unfairly (CHEATING)
    and lying (telling untruths) although they were not guilty of breaking the
    rules or bearing false witness ?

    I suspect that they would.

    POM took a stance recently that should have proven to all of you, that he
    is willing to stick his neck out to speak up for what is right, even in the face
    of great opposition. He had nothing personal to gain by doing this. If you
    recall, he was swiftly rewarded with ridicule from several of those that should
    have been saying, “Yes, POM, you are right. We got carried away.”

    POM, hasn’t done anything to deserve scorn.

    For those looking for a whipping boy …

    I’ll be your huckleberry.

    Sincerely Yours,

    Rommel

    P.S. – Ooops, I misread your post, you said disregarded not degraded.

    #59467

    BOY
    Participant

    just a few words, since my name keeps coming up.

    FYI I did suggest to Gavin that Rommel be given game admin access ONLY, and not forum powers, since, I knew that this sort of thing would happen, I didn’t want to see apache set down his badge like that, but I knew he would.

    None the less, I’m just as happy that Rom and Pom are both admins. Rommel for one has some kind of amazing memory and ability to find quotes and such. Makes me smile, he’s the only poster more prolific than myself. He plays much more than most of us and is very helpful to newbs and so forth, I’m really glad to hear about the support for him here.

    Pom is one of the most dedicated addicts you could ask for, what can I say, he’s a scorched junky. But not only that, he’s got a very cool head, this is very important for moderating discussions here. It is my hope that we’ll need several admins more in the near future. More than that though, I hope I can blow you up a few times soon apache, I used to have the best games with you, its been so long. ❓

    #59468

    apache64d
    Participant

    Good bye,
    Enough for me.
    I’m quiting this forum.
    I can’t stay in a place that goes the way it goes. Can’t be a part of selfish one man-actions. Can’t be in a place that an admin can do what ever he wish by his on..and did thigs his way or no way. Ignored other admins. Lied about other admins. Used “he im better the u” language…joined a player that was on the bottom of the list to be an admin (Rommel)…and kept ignoring critisizm from admins and players. This is more sad because if I would be the one the do all this things I would get “stoned” and “hey what the heck are you doing?”
    I remember that I got “shouts” for every little thing I did (little..)..and comes other admin and just do what he wish… Sorry, this is not my way. This is not me.
    See ya, Good Bye. Been good many years.

    Elad.

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