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  • #65810

    Rommel
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    Good Morning PeanutsRevenge :

    Just a reminder to let you know that I’m still waiting on
    your reply to my previous request. As you may imagine,
    it is difficult to respond properly to a generic complaint.

    You charged me with spewing bullshit :

    I responded with documentation regarding the
    salaries of hospital CEO’s in the United States.

    @peanutsrevenge wrote:

    Not sure I’d pegged you as a regurgitator of
    bullshit before Rommel, just a gurgitator.

    The post, Jeopardy 2020, that I linked for you a few
    days ago was intended to help you see that stating
    your answer in the form of a question, was likely to
    provide you with better results than simply stating
    that you didn’t understand my post(s).

    @peanutsrevenge wrote:

    I fail to understand what you’re trying to get at?
    At least, what you might be trying to get across
    that you don’t think we already know.

    Wishing you a sunny and enjoyable weekend.

    Udohiyu gvyoiyu,

    Rommel

    #65811

    Deathbal
    Participant

    Greetings fellows! I thought i’d weigh in on something regarding this thread. Not so much about the shutdown, but about unions. Those that know me know I am a conservative in most aspects. But I do take issue to union bashing.

    I do realize unions can be an employees worst enemy in certain cases. That’s just a fact. But unions are not useless in every scenario. On the plus side Unions help dime a dozen employees make a decent salary, and as a result raise the pay of the private sector within the same field. If you were to take all unions out of the picture, you are creating a huge sector of the population making 8 dollars an hour. Unskilled labor have been making that since the late 80’s early 90’s. At some point something has to give. I drink and smoke 8 dollars an hour. :mrgreen:

    The obvious drawback to this is as a tax payer I end up subsidizing employees wages through government aid. As a conservative Republican I understand a job is worth what people are willing to take for that job. But as a realist I do not want to be a part of subsidizing cheap labor. I feel the employer has more of a responsibility to pay their employees than the tax payer.

    All in all I think unions have their role. I do not believe they should dominate the workforce, but a small union presence (where needed) would compliment the workforce. To eliminate unions altogether will make us a much poorer country overall. Big business will be the only entity to reap the benefits, not only from much cheaper labor, but aided by the tax payer toward that goal.

    #65812

    PeanutsRevenge
    Participant

    @deathbal wrote:

    Those that know me

    Got locked up in an asylum, hence the deathly low player base that now exists.

    Oh and HEY db, long time old killer.

    Not gonna weigh in further on the union debate as that’s for another thread and I have exclusively known unions to be bad in my experience, so cba 🙂

    #65813

    Rommel
    Participant

    Well ByGod HOWDY ! (West Virginia greeting)

    I’m not going to say much right now but I did want to pop in and say
    that I’m happy to see you again. About your Conservative Badge :

    @deathbal wrote:

    Greetings fellows! I thought i’d weigh in on something regarding this
    thread. Not so much about the shutdown, but about unions. Those
    that know me know I am a conservative in most aspects. But I do
    take issue to union bashing.

    I expected you would be wearing that Skeptics Shield I mailed to
    you. By definition, there is nothing wrong with being conservative.

    On the other hand, being A Conservative, implies many negatives.
    As A Conservative, you should support the Union bashing as well.

    Funny stuff, eh ?

    The political label, no longer represents cautious resistance to change.
    If anything, both sides, liberals and conservatives, seem to be wildly
    intent on running us at full speed ahead into iceberg laden waters.

    I’m really very happy that you decided to write.
    It’s been a long time … too long.

    Other that that one irony … I thought you did a very good job of
    defending the Unions and your position on why they are a critical
    component, if our economy is to have a substantial middle class.

    Well done indeed.

    Best wishes,

    Rommel

    #65814

    Chopper
    Participant

    @deathbal wrote:

    …. The obvious drawback to this is as a tax payer I end up subsidizing employees wages through government aid. As a conservative Republican I understand a job is worth what people are willing to take for that job. But as a realist I do not want to be a part of subsidizing cheap labor. I feel the employer has more of a responsibility to pay their employees than the tax payer.

    The increase won’t all be absorbed by the employer …they will raise their prices.
    @deathbal wrote:

    …. All in all I think unions have their role. I do not believe they should dominate the workforce, but a small union presence (where needed) would compliment the workforce. To eliminate unions altogether will make us a much poorer country overall. Big business will be the only entity to reap the benefits, not only from much cheaper labor, but aided by the tax payer toward that goal.

    the role of unions a long time ago were a lot different than today.
    Today, they mutated into a facade for organized crime to line their own pockets and launder money from Las Vegas.

    Its a complex subject that bottom line, unions have cost the older manufacturers a lot in legacy costs.

    ie: US car makers move to Canada and mexico while Toyota, Nissan, Kia and others move here….without a union.

    We live in a global world for sure.

    #65815

    Rommel
    Participant

    Hi PeanutsRevenge :

    I’m very pleased that you were able to escape the booby
    hatch. I hardly had a wink of sleep waiting on your reply.

    @peanutsrevenge wrote:

    Got locked up in an asylum, hence the
    deathly low player base that now exists.

    In reading my older posts, I saw where I said something about a
    Foster’s can. If that was the post you intended to quote, then
    yes, that portion of that post was bull shit.

    Actually, it’s not much bigger around than a can of spray paint.

    Take care they don’t catch you, and try to write back soon.

    Waiting sleeplessly,

    Rommel

    P.S. : Although this is your thread, a great many of our Federal
    employees are Union workers. Thus, please allow those of us
    that wish to debate the need for Unions to have a little space.

    There is much fertile ground here that has hardly been touched.

    #65816

    Rommel
    Participant

    Open Letter to All :

    On Wednesday, October 16, 2013, I posted the following letter to
    pastor of muppets, regarding the displeasure he showed over the
    increase to his families insurance premiums and deductables next
    year (presumably, due to the insurance law known as Obama Care) :

      Hi POM :

      Your premiums were going up all the same. The illegal aliens that
      low life employers are working in our country are bleeding us dry in
      emergency room visits and bastard births alone. Then there are the
      serious cases that have to be treated if they make it to the door.

      If $ 10,000 per day is an acceptable figure, for intensive or monitored
      care, then you can easily see that an indigent patient that stays for
      30 days, removes $300,000 from the local economy. Note : This is a
      single patient and pertains only to the hospital charges. There will be
      additional charges for additional services.

      Those of us that legally reside here and pay our own way, absorb the
      costs from the health care system in one way or another. We are the
      only valid resource. The CEO’s don’t care anymore about ilegal aleins
      than the employers. Thus it is unreasonable to expect them to take a
      lower salary to help ease the burden (see : hospital CEO salary).

        Our hospital CEO makes $ 1.25 Million per year. In a
        city 30 miles away, the hospital CEO only makes
        $ 750,000 per year. You know he wants a raise.

      We can either kill them or treat them. If we treat them, then we
      must pay the costs incurred. It sounds like you’d like to kill them.

      Now that’s some funny stuff right there … Larry the Cable Guy.

      Best wishes,

      Rommel

    PeanutsRevenge charged me with sprewing bull shit and
    although I asked him to justify his charge ( for a week )
    he has failed to make even one attempt at justification.

      @peanutsrevenge wrote:

      Not sure I’d pegged you as a regurgitator of
      bullshit before Rommel, just a gurgitator.

    His refusal to address the charge, suggests
    that he has little or no regard for the truth.

    Best wishes to all,

    Rommel

    #65817

    Rommel
    Participant

      California Petition Picking Up Speed

    A petition is being circulated in San Diego, California to
    address the problems expected if the cuts to the Federal
    budget go into effect. It’s quite an eye opening petition.

    This short video (3 min) says more in the first 30 seconds
    than I could say if I tried to type for the next 30 minutes.
    The comments from registered voters are worth your time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02E4cj4Vvo

    Keep smiling,

    Rommel


      Edit 1
      : EGADS ! I’m glad Chopper didn’t quote me.
      Changed is to are : registered voters is worth your time.
    #65818

    Rommel
    Participant

    Hello All :

    The excerpt that follows the quote from PeanutsRevenge is
    intended to help clarify the type of public assistance system
    Britain is trying to administer and the problems experienced.

    @peanutsrevenge wrote:

    My comments to my linked article (can check source yourselves if you wish):

    peanutsrevenge • 7 hours ago
    Being a Brit, this whole thing completely bemuses me.
    We have universal healthcare. Everyone (that earns over X amount) pays a percentage of their income for ‘NI – National Insurance’. If you’re sick, injured, ill, diagnosed with something, you go and get medical attention and it cost nothing more.

    If you’d like a private room, to be seen quicker etc.. you can take private medical insurance ontop of N.I. for all the frills on top of being taken care of.

    However, we also HAVE to take insurance on our cars for them to be legal. Doesn’t have to be all whistles and bells, can just cover the other party should it be your error, but we can get better insurance to cover our car’s/injuries etc…
    Works well here, I’ve always had really good care in our ‘National Health Service’ and only a couple of people I know complain about their treatment, they’re the kind of people that complain their sheets aren’t silk and they pay too much N.I.

    To which there was a reply:
    Steveng peanutsrevenge • 4 hours ago −
    But you are not forced to use it.

    peanutsrevenge Steveng • 36 minutes ago −
    We’re forced to pay National Insurance and we’re forced to have car insurance (should we choose to have a car). The car insurance (3rd party minimum) I fully agree with. Can harm others and/or their property with a car and you should have the means to right that wrong immediately.
    However, we’re not forced to have a car.

    The biggest difference here, which I initially thought was the intention there, that those who can’t afford medical care don’t have to pay for it (at least until they’re able to pay a share). There it seems to be a new tax on everyone, including the poor.
    I heard today that the cheapest insurance will be $100 and that was meant to be really good. My jaw dropped at that!

    Britain’s anger at EC opposition to restriction on migrant benefits

      Currently, all people seeking work in Britain are eligible for Jobseeker’s
      Allowance, of £56.80 a week. They do not need to have previously
      paid tax or National Insurance, making the benefit “non-contributory”.
      This also applies to other benefits, including housing benefit, child
      benefit and child tax credit. In 2004, the Government introduced a
      “right to reside” test which asks immigrants to prove that they are
      “economically active”, which can include actively seeking work, or
      are self-supporting, before they can claim many non-contributory
      benefits, in particular Jobseeker’s Allowance.

      But the EC says this breaks EU law because non-contributory
      benefits should be equally available to all EU citizens. The right to
      reside test is not applied to UK citizens. Later this year it will
      formally start a case at the European Court of Justice to try to
      stop the use of the right to reside test.

    You can read the entire article at The Telegraph

    Best wishes,

    Rommel

    #65819

    BOY
    Participant

    Look. Yesterday the radio news reported that the stock market was up on the news of a weak jobs report since it means that the FED will most likely continue the easing policies and low interest rates.

    PROOF POSITIVE that we’re so screwed. NO JOBS = STOCK PROFITS. There is now a direct correlation. The average guy’s job is completely unhooked from the economy, and the more the government spends on his unemployment benefits, the better the corporate profits. This is all you need to know about the state of the financial world today.

    All I care about is that the Fox News reporters are all sexy. As far as the budget, it doesn’t matter. It is just a document legalizing the expenditure of vast amounts of resources on national security that we’d reather not know about.

    If it costs 1 million to set up a good website, but the government spends 600 million, that’s not waste, that’s a shell game. The money is being spent overseas to keep me safe in my house watching CNN and bitching about the Republicans.

    Jobs? We don’t need them. We can just not work and be fine.
    Health Care? Just don’t bother to sign up, I’ll get taxed and get the same emergency room care I always got before.

    #65820

    Rommel
    Participant

    Hello BOY and All :

    Had I thought your post to be totally serious, I think I would
    have done something else besides sending this reply to you :

    Your observation on the stock market and how it seems to
    react totally opposite to what seems natural when we post
    bad employment numbers is something that some friends
    (here at home) and I have been discussing for many years.

    This is one of the best (short) articles that I have read on it :

        Food Stamp Corporate Welfare

      If you think the SNAP food stamps debate is about poor people’s
      need to eat, you’re wrong. It’s about big corporations’ need to
      profit. “Xerox, JPMorgan Chase and eFunds Corporation have all
      successfully turned poverty into a profit center.” So have
      Coca Cola, Kroger, Wal-Mart, Kelloggs and a large slice of the
      rest of the Fortune 500 corporations.

      By allowing the machine to profit heavily off of poverty, the
      natural course seems that we will perpetuate it indefinately.

      However, no matter how high profits go, the nature of the
      beast is to always be on the lookout for another increase.

      Although you made me laugh, your previous post was a bit
      saddening as a great many people seem to think that way.

      About the Fox girls, being safe in your own home, etc..

      I hope that you have the time to read the article and that
      you’ll be posting something new soon. It’s always good to
      discuss things and especially things where we disagree.

      Best wishes to All,

      Rommel

        P.S. : This is a short ( 4 min ) video on Camden, New Jersey
        @boy wrote:

        Jobs? We don’t need them. We can just not work and be fine.

        Maybe if you live in PeanutsRevenge’s neighborhood, not Jersey.

      #65821

      Rommel
      Participant

      Dear Netizens :

      While waiting on someone else to post something, I thought
      that the recent statement from Israel’s Prime Minister on the
      problem of Illegal Aliens in Israel was on topic for this thread.

        @Benjamin Netanyahu wrote:

          It’s impossible to stop infiltration through the [border] fence
          alone. We need to continue taking the measures that have so
          far definitively stopped infiltration to Israel — a physical barrier
          alongside effective legal tools. Illegal infiltrators have no
          privileges at the expense of Israeli citizens.

      Britain and the United States are not the only countries that are
      staggering from the weight of trying to provide free benefits to
      those that have not earned them. However, unlike the USA, the
      Brits and the Israelis enforce the laws enacted to protect their
      workers from being pillaged, raped and robbed by invaders.

        Note : The Brits may soon be forced to treat all
        EU subjects on British soil, as subjects of the crown.
        ( see past post ) If this happens, I expect that the
        Greeks and others suffering from austerity will rapidly
        bankrupt non-contributory social programs in Britain.

      Current visa restrictions are in place to protect American
      workers. Refusing to enforce visa and immigration laws is
      much easier than trying to repeal the existing protections,
      although new immigration laws are being considered.

      American’s out of work, more families drowning in poverty
      every day. Most everyone else treading water with dead
      weights hung about their necks. Yes, it’s definately time
      we stopped worring about enforcing existing laws. Right ?

      If we aren’t enforcing current laws that protect American
      workers, there is little reason to suspect that new laws
      will be intended to strenghten our unenforced protections.
      However, there is good reason to suspect that our existing
      protections will be decreased or perhaps even eliminated.

        Note to Deathbal : A good Skeptic is always cautiously
        resistant to change, ie., conservative. No A though.

      Enforce the laws on the books first and foremost. After
      that, I suggest this immediate change to current law :

      If corporations would rather work outsiders than Americans, then
      they must be legally compelled to ensure that all imported workers
      are completely self sufficient and do not in any way infringe on the
      struggling American tax payers that still have jobs.

      This includes ensuring that each and every one of these
      imported workers has a valid work visa under current law.

      No food stamps, no free health care, no Social Security SSI
      payments, no workman’s comp, no unemployment, no free
      schooling, no illegal and discriminatory in state tuition rate,
      nothing. Nothing at all except what the employers provide.

      The employer must be fully and totally liable for them until
      they become a Citizen or leave American soil. This includes
      any and all immediate family members that are residing here.

      This will still allow employers to obtain exceptional workers
      (worth the cost) that wish to obtain brokered employment.

      This sounds like a fair arrangement for all concerned.

      Best wishes in your search for liberty and justice for all.

      Sincerely,

      Rommel

        Edit 1 : Removed redundency – “deceased or perhaps even eliminated,”
        Edit 2 : Grrrrr, Added Highilght color and indentation to edit section.
      #65822

      Chopper
      Participant

      We play this game to escape the political bs that goes on around this country….just as it does in most countries around the world.

      Don’t really have to come here to be reminded about it all. [-X
      It used to be really nice and quiet around here.

      #65823

      Rommel
      Participant

      Hi Chopper :

      Game ? What is the game you mentioned? Monopoly with real cash?
      Real lives in the balance. Do not pass Go. Go straight to jail? What?

      @chopper wrote:

      We play this game to escape the political bs that goes on around
      this country….just as it does in most countries around the world.

      Don’t really have to come here to be reminded about it all. [-X
      It used to be really nice and quiet around here.

      So, things are bad in your town too? Poor people keeping you
      up late, drinking and laughing on beer you had to buy them?

      I get neighbors like that around here from time to time.

      Fortunately, they don’t stay very long. Perhaps they
      drink it up to the point that they can’t pay the rent.

      Keep on smiling,

      Rommel

        P.S.

      : I’m pleased that you joined KAWSIME ! Welcome my brother.
      Have you seen Willis? He got a Death’sHead and then disappeared.

      #65824

      Chopper
      Participant

      You know what?….ah…. never mind. won’t waste my breath.

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