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  • #48238

    Viking62
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    I luv it! LOL
    Ya can honestly tell that there are not too many 13 year olds in this thread.
    I have built a few Hot-Rod V-8 engines in my time & this reminds me of those days–Mopar vs Chevy vs. Ford. This is really tickling me!! Keep the comments coming & try to downplay some of those Testosterone moments;)
    Rofl

    Btw: Even with all the competition, you all are contributing to the thread & my component choices (keep it up). Thanks all:)

    #48239

    PeanutsRevenge
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    @viking62 wrote:

    I luv it! LOL
    Ya can honestly tell that there are not too many 13 year olds in this thread.
    I have built a few Hot-Rod V-8 engines in my time & this reminds me of those days–Mopar vs Chevy vs. Ford. This is really tickling me!! Keep the comments coming & try to downplay some of those Testosterone moments;)
    Rofl

    Btw: Even with all the competition, you all are contributing to the thread & my component choices (keep it up). Thanks all:)

    but your still listening to lappys advice.
    Thats not a good idea, he only seems to be telling you what he likes rather than what is better, which unfortunately isn’t possible with computers.

    Our favorite manufacturers often produce a sub standard product, or rivals come out with amazing ones.
    For exacmple. I would love to be able to recommend AMDs phenom or Athlon cpus to you as they are my favored company, but the phenom sucks with its current stepping and the Athlon is getting long in the tooth.

    Something I must now say having got (finally) my 8800GT card, if you care about keeping a quiet computer, make sure you also get a 3rd party passive cooler. This card is meant to be about average for modern higher end cards, but when its working hard its LOUD, so its upgrade is coming sooner than I planned (and can really afford).
    The cooler im getting BTW is a thermalright HR03-GT, which, from what I’ve read is REALLY good and doesnt need its own fan if chassis cooling is reasonable.

    #48240

    Laptops Daddy
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    damn it, peanuts, you’re has an e.
    why does that grate on me so much?

    @peanutsrevenge wrote:

    ….but your still listening to lappys advice.
    Thats not a good idea, he only seems to be telling you what he likes rather than what is better, which unfortunately isn’t possible with computers.

    this is why we’re in a thread and not a pm. feel free to challenge whatever i’ve said, but please be specific.

    any advice i’ve given is backed by significant personal experience. scanning through half-assed amateur hardware reviews does not amount to the same.

    #48241

    PeanutsRevenge
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    My bad on the You’re (you forgot to mention the ‘ ), but I used to be pedantic like that too, but realised we all make mistakes and some people simply havn’t had the education / brain matter to get everything right all the time, so I curbed it.

    As for “canning through half-assed amateur hardware reviews” its amazing how they tend to come up with the same results and conclusions, especially the main one I have been trusting for around a decade.

    Unfortunately I made a massive blunder 8 years ago which killed my PC career, so my hands on experience IS limited.

    However, why would I suggest products that are not from my favoured manufacturers if my suggestions were not researched fully? Surely I would go with my favorites?

    #48242

    KTM Rider
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    Thought I’d pipe up on the HR-03. I installed one on my 8800GTS, and the temperature differences are astounding. Although instead of using a 92mm fan, I slapped on a 120mm and dropped the rpms a bit.

    The stock cooler from EVGA with 100% fan rpm would hold my temps at 65 degrees (Celsius) if I was lucky. On load I’d often see 74 to 79 degrees.

    With the HR-03, my current temp is 54. Highest I’ve ever seen on load is 66. And I can’t hear the fan on the cooler at all (I’d have to double-check, but I think it’s only running at about 900 rpm) Hands-down, I’d buy another one of these in a heartbeat. The Thermalright thermal paste is quite a bit easier to spread than the Shin-Etsu stuff, also. It is only mediocre quality, however.

    Lots of the reviews do seem to be so similar that they become redundant. I always like to hear from user experience before I buy a part. Taken with a grain of salt, I find that is the best way to gauge a component.

    #48243

    PeanutsRevenge
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    grr, just closed the wrong tab :@

    Im mostly going for quietness as the card so far has remained pretty cool with the fan rarely kicking in, although I havnt stressed it much yet and I do have a fair amount of air throughput through case.

    Im looking to get either the Thermalright IFX-14 or Ultra 120A CPU cooler too and northbridge cooler to match in an Antec 900 case.

    Just overclocked CPU by 33% to 4Ghz (Pentium D 925 3Ghz) to get decent fpx in scorched with full detail, but the stock fan was constantly hitting full speed but the system still crash twice in 30 minutes (JUST had time for a full game tho), so hoping the cooler will help enough to last till I get Core 2 Q6600.

    Your right about user reviews, trouble is, what one person thinks is quiet, another finds annoying, or thinks is ugly/slow etc… need to know perspective and experience.

    EDIT: How did you find the thermal pads that came with it? I have read that they are useless and should buy seperately.
    They are only a couple of quid, so no biggy, but, would be nice to have another opinion.

    #48244

    KTM Rider
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    At least in my case (bad pun, I know), turning off the fan on the HR-03 ramps the temps up to about 78 degrees on load. I did that test in the summer, though (No AC), so its quite a bit cooler now.

    I’d stay away from the IFX for the time being. It always seems to take Thermalright awhile to work the kinks out of their designs. The Ultra-120 eXtreme works very well now, but I had it lapped, so no clue about it’s contact condition.

    Yep, I ran into the perspective issue with fan sound. Everyone guaranteed me that 20 decibels is quiet. I grit my teeth every time I turn my PC on. I should have gone with the Antec P182 case…… The design makes wonderful sense in terms of silencing. Too bad they package horrible fans with it. Perhaps I should just build my own case…… Anyone have any experience?

    The pad on the HSI and memory heatsink you mean? I’ve not had any issues. But my motherboard is flipped (faux BTX), so there isn’t a chance of them falling off. I just reached down and tweaked the ‘sinks with my fingers, and they do twist. I’m not sure whether they’d actually fall of, though. The HSI is pinned for pressure, but boy does it get warm. I’m considering zip-tie-ing an 80mm fan to my PCI slots to vent some air over it.

    #48245

    Laptops Daddy
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    @KTM Rider wrote:

    …turning off the fan on the HR-03 ramps the temps up to about 78 degrees on load

    passive cooling is a huge jump. even minimal localised airflow can change things dramatically.

    i’ve been using thermalright heat sinks for years and have never had any trouble. they’re usually coated, with a mirror finish on the base. they don’t usually need lapping.

    it may be worth mentioning, heat pipes are now commonplace. ultra high-end/priced heat sinks are becoming less attractive, with much cheaper heat pipe coolers from companies like artic cooling offering comparable performance.

    i’ve bought a lot of silent fans. from my experience, those rated at 9-11db are pretty much silent depending on the size of the room. there’s no substitute for proper motherboard fan speed control though. abits ‘eq’ is still about the best from what i’ve seen.

    #48246

    Viking62
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    OK-I need a fairly quick answer here (before these are sold out).
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    #48247

    KTM Rider
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    I was considering that G.Skill RAM. Decided to go with Patriot instead. Got two more sticks after Christmas.

    It’s certainly a good (no, great) deal. But G.Skill doesn’t have a big name for themselves (that I’m aware of). It’s a bit of a risk, but not much.

    Thats sounded amazingly indecisive. I’d say go for it. The reviews I’ve read sound impressed.

    2GB or 4, though?

    #48248

    Rommel
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    HI KTM:
    @KTM Rider wrote:


    Perhaps I should just build my own case…… Anyone have any experience?

    As Laptops Daddy mentioned, passive cooling should be maximized. If you have any vacant slots, you might want to check and see if you can rearrange your cards to give yourself the maximum free air space around the graphics card. I’m pretty sure you’ve already done this and only included this in case someone else might not know.

    Terrific Idea! Do I have any experience with this? Yes, but only for industrial applications not in a home setting.

    Instead of starting over from scratch with a new bare bones case, you might want to consider building a computer controled, thermal regulated, carbon based fiber enclosure that houses your existing case.

    In other words, put it in a wooden box with some sensors and some good fans with filters.

    This will reduce your noise level considerably while allowing you to filter the air coming into the box. DIRT KILLS !!! You can line the box with acoustic foam for further noise reduction if you desire. By utilizing a seperate power supply and a small single board computer such as the Rabbit or PIC you could design an enclosure that is independant from the equipment contained and allow the box to be easily configured to house a varitey of things.

    If you want to maximise the potential of an enclosure of this type, you can fashion a duct (plenum) in two ways. Duct the filtered intake air into your computer case, or duct the discharge air from the case to the negative pressure side of the fans. The second method would require a negative pressure area to be established inside of the enlosure which you then connect to the case with a duct (plenum). An airtight partition inside of the box between the fans and the case area would provide the connection point(s) for the duct)s) and provide the barrier required to maintain the negative pressure potential.

    Most likely, neither of the above methods will be required if you simply remove the outer shell from your computer case before placing it inside of the enclosure.

    If you decide to persue this, I believe you’ll find that industrial fans with filter sets are much more affordable than the ones you may have priced from the computer heat specialists and are available in a wide range of decibel ratings, styles, sizes, voltages, speeds, and CFM flow rates. You might want two big squirrel cage blowers that suck up everything in the room but I seriously doubt that you’d need that much flow. 😛

    If you are in the United States of America, I’d reccommend Allied Electronics or Digikey as good places to start a web search to see what is available.

    Best of luck,

    Rommel

    #48249

    KTM Rider
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    Actually, all of my PCI slots are empty for that exact reason. I just need to get ahold of an external DAC, my audio quality is horrendous through the onboard audio.

    My current case, the Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01 is fairly modular. Motherboard tray, HDD cage, etc. can be taken from it. My thought was to mount it (the motherboard tray) in a larger wooden cabinet (pressboard would be preferable acoustically). Like you mentioned, lining the enclosure with acoustic foam could cut emanating noise.

    I’ve never sought out industrial-type fans. I suppose that I assumed that noise might not be their largest concern. Off the top of your head, what noise-level/CFM fans are out there? I googled those sites you mentioned; Digi-Key doesn’t mention decibel levels (that I can find), and Allied Electronics errors out in their cooling section.

    Dust certainly is a bear. My case has 1/8 to 1/4 inch thick foam covering every intake and yet still sucks dust in. It takes me over an hour every month to clean the filters completely. Three pets don’t help either.

    Whoops, got horribly off-subject. Sorry.

    #48250

    Rommel
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    Hi Again:

    @KTM Rider wrote:

    My current case, the Cooler Master Stacker STC-T01 is fairly modular. Motherboard tray, HDD cage, etc. can be taken from it. My thought was to mount it (the motherboard tray) in a larger wooden cabinet (pressboard would be preferable acoustically). Like you mentioned, lining the enclosure with acoustic foam could cut emanating noise.

    I’ve never sought out industrial-type fans. I suppose that I assumed that noise might not be their largest concern. Off the top of your head, what noise-level/CFM fans are out there? I googled those sites you mentioned; Digi-Key doesn’t mention decibel levels (that I can find), and Allied Electronics errors out in their cooling section.

    Dust certainly is a bear. My case has 1/8 to 1/4 inch thick foam covering every intake and yet still sucks dust in. It takes me over an hour every month to clean the filters completely. Three pets don’t help either.

    Whoops, got horribly off-subject. Sorry.

    LOL the only thing you’re likely to get off the top of my head lately is some hair. Fortunately I still have my looks … er … my books. You might want to check out this link and read the section on the Aqua cooling option for your case before starting on a custom enclosure. The review mentioned that all openings are filtered, except for open mesh bottom. I suspect that is where the dust is getting in. Seems like they would have filtered the bottom too or left an unrestricted port on the side, but I guess they have cleaner floors than I do. 😉

    I looked up a few selections in a two year old Allied catelog to give you an idea of what was available then. The fans below are reasonable examples that you may find worth considering if only for additional or replacement parts for your CoolerMaster. Orion Fan – Challanger brand – Low cost, sleeve bearing, rated for 30,000 hours (almost 4 years continuous).

    Allied – Part # 592-0123 60 mm – 12 VDC – 24 CFM @ 28.8 db @ $ 5.00
    Allied – Part # 592-0124 80 mm – 12 VDC – 36.5 CFM @ 34 db @ $ 5.00
    Allied – Part # 592-0094 120 mm – 12-VDC – 120 CFM @ 41 db @ $ 10.00

    You might also want to check ebmpapst.com too.

    I’m having to read this catelog with a 10 X magnifier and I’m still having trouble so I hope it’s ok just to give you a few examples. Besiddes that, I’ve been up for over 24 hours and I’m feeling the need for speed er … I mean I think I need to get some sleep.

    Rommel

    #48251

    KTM Rider
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    I’ve considered going to liquid cooling, but the performance difference isn’t that large compared to my current setup. Peltier cooling could be a neat way to go, but every pre-built system comes with screaming fans. Not to mention the price……

    Part of the appeal of building my own case is simply to do just that. I like building things. My case is in no way inadequate. I’m just bored with it.

    Actually, I had wondered about the mesh on the bottom, also. So I blocked it off with duct-tape for two months. The only effect it had was raising my temps 2 degrees. Not a whit of difference towards dust.

    Whew, too loud for me. I think my cat might get sucked into the last one. I’ve toyed with the idea of a 250-360mm side fan, but have been to distracted to consider it seriously.

    How’s the PC coming along, Viking?

    #48252

    Rommel
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    Ok, so you want to spend some cash eh? Great! Too bad I never worked for you.@KTM Rider wrote:

    I’ve considered going to liquid cooling, but the performance difference isn’t that large compared to my current setup. Peltier cooling could be a neat way to go, but every pre-built system comes with screaming fans. Not to mention the price……

    Part of the appeal of building my own case is simply to do just that. I like building things. My case is in no way inadequate. I’m just bored with it.

    Actually, I had wondered about the mesh on the bottom, also. So I blocked it off with duct-tape for two months. The only effect it had was raising my temps 2 degrees. Not a whit of difference towards dust.

    Whew, too loud for me. I think my cat might get sucked into the last one. I’ve toyed with the idea of a 250-360mm side fan, but have been to distracted to consider it seriously.

    How’s the PC coming along, Viking?

    I don’t have any actual field experience with TECs but I have played around with them doing R&D. They were considered too expensive to incorporate at that time. The budget guys wanted vortex cooling. 😥

    Since you seem interested, I’ll continue …

    You can build a very quiet box by placing your fan(s) inside the box and ducting them over the TEC’s. What I’m suggesting here isn’t using the TEC as a direct thermal couple to the CPU but rather using a bank of TECs to create a small in box refrigeration unit. This will allow you to keep condensation away from anything electronic other than the TECs.

    Internal enclosure temperature could be monitored in the discharge duct prior to passing over the hot side of the TEC bank. By regulating the fan speed and the votage to the TECs you should be able to achieve a high level of efficiency while controling the internal air temperature very accurately. Properly selected fans and TECs running inside of a baffled and acoustic foam lined box should allow you to run a box like this virtually noise free.

    You might also want to consider a drip pan that contains the condensate and provides adaquate surface area for rapid evaporation. If you wanted to be fancy, the condensate can be directed to a point where the hot discharge air will blow across it. This will provide rapid evaporation and carry the moisture out of the box (only to return again). Need a dehumidifier-cooler combination? Don’t evaporate the condensate, collect it and dump it. Ok, ok, think green, water your house plants with it.

    So, how cold can you get a box like this? Properly insulated with no internal heat source you could easily achieve 0 C. Want a beer cooling – dehumidifing – computer case that waters your house plants ? Hmmm, a case for the masses ??? 🙂

    Maybe an apartment size refrigerator would suffice? 😕

    You make me think too much,

    Rommel

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