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  • #5432

    TraT
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    A couple nights ago a player on Main (lets call him Evil Kenny, just as an example) messes up and then says “****”. Since the filter worked, he tried “* * * *”, then “* * * *”, etc. This went on for about ten minutes, finally he stumbles on “ff ” and then “uck” and proceeds to say that throughout the rest of the game. Obviously there was not an admin present to mute him.

    What I am suggesting is for the server to warn someone if the filter is activated 2 or 3 times (in a game?), and then automatically mute them on the next filter instance.

    #41232

    FREAK
    Participant

    I like that idea alot…

    #41233

    Thrax
    Participant

    @trat wrote:

    What I am suggesting is for the server to warn someone if
    the filter is activated 2 or 3 times (in a game?), and then automatically
    mute them on the next filter instance.

    Yes, that is something i have often desired. As i have an even thicker
    filter now after having to add dozens of variations of common insults,
    swears, and blocked phrases.

    The only problem is.. once they find a variant that isn’t blocked, they
    will use it openly untill i finally add it manually.

    I have often been forced to perm mute players for days, before they
    learn to behave. Or.. in the case of a certian other source-hacking
    player, they rebel worse, change thier names to continue insults, and
    force me to ban them. And we all know how well that worked…..

    the option of muting or kicking on a trigger would be nice to a point.
    the other choice, would be the previously mentioned “Voting” capacity.

    #41234

    Willis
    Participant

    Interesting idea. Very.

    I would suggest however we take a moment to review the list of words being filtered before something like this.

    As there are some cases that words in common use get filtered (part of it, anyway) because it resembles something in the word list.

    #41235

    Thrax
    Participant

    @willis wrote:

    Interesting idea. Very.

    I would suggest however we take a moment to review the list of words
    being filtered before something like this.

    As there are some cases that words in common use get filtered (part of it,
    anyway) because it resembles something in the word list.

    or.. someone fresh out of beginners, coming onto a real server and
    whining and crying “Bots first! Bots First! AIF!! AIF!! AIF!!”

    maybe the upside would be.. after being muted and kicked a few times,
    they’d learn to read system messages and chose targets wisely.

    #41236

    naka
    Participant

    Not good.

    Some times filter accidentally triggered on non-english languages. Should anyone be muted for this?

    Fresh example: call ‘vihor’ name + ‘e’ at the end —> vihore, (vocative case/casus vocativus) triger the filter 😀 😀

    #41237

    Deathbal
    Participant

    Someone kept firing about 100 short and I said

    “Put a little muscle into it.” It shows

    “*** * little muscle into it.”

    I realize why that word is masked, but you wouldn’t think twice about typeing it as shown above.

    #41238

    Willis
    Participant

    @deathbal wrote:

    Someone kept firing about 100 short and I said

    “Put a little muscle into it.” It shows

    “*** * little muscle into it.”

    I realize why that word is masked, but you wouldn’t think twice about typeing it as shown above.

    Thank you DB for that example. I knew it was something simple but I couldn’t remember it.

    #41239

    Brain Damage
    Participant

    @willis wrote:

    As there are some cases that words in common use get filtered (part of it, anyway) because it resembles something in the word list.

    this is a well know defect of many forms of auto-censoreship:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_Problem

    currently it’s also impossible to write screwdriver & kraut

    what i think that instead would me really an improvement is already implemented:

    @Scorched Fairy wrote:

    Added: Chat spam auto muting

    #41240

    Deathbal
    Participant

    I used to play this football game online Fbpro…….when you hit a masked word it would come up as something else. example……if you called someone a jackass…..it would pop up “Green Grass” I just thought that was funny.

    #41241

    Thrax
    Participant

    @deathbal wrote:

    I used to play this football game online Fbpro…….when
    you hit a masked word it would come up as something else.
    example……if you called someone a jackass…..it would pop up “Green
    Grass” I just thought that was funny.

    “AIF!” with “Aim-at-me!”,
    “Truce”.. with “You Suck”..,
    “Bots First!”with “I’m going to Cry!”

    …… 😀

    #41242

    BigBear
    Participant

    Auto muting spammers is one thing and I definately support that. When it comes to auto muting players for using bad language I feel very sceptical. The way I see it there would be difficulties ensuring that no one gets muted for the wrong reasons. I don’t like that at all and think that is a decision that should be made by a human admin period.

    #41243

    Thrax
    Participant

    @bigbear wrote:

    Auto muting spammers is one thing and I definately
    support that. When it comes to auto muting players for using bad language
    I feel very sceptical. The way I see it there would be difficulties ensuring
    that no one gets muted for the wrong reasons. I don’t like that at all and
    think that is a decision that should be made by a human admin period.

    well on the off-chance that gavins main-servers don’t have a live admin
    at hand.. it would mute them for a short time after triggering the filter
    several times. if they are triggering it several times in a row.. within 60
    sec. for eg. then it clamps them for 5-10 min

    a flood filter may also be a good idea, if the same player had chatted 5
    times in as many seconds. it could likely slow some spammers.

    #41244

    BigBear
    Participant

    @thrax wrote:

    well on the off-chance that gavins main-servers don’t have a live admin
    at hand.. it would mute them for a short time after triggering the filter
    several times. if they are triggering it several times in a row.. within 60
    sec. for eg. then it clamps them for 5-10 min

    a flood filter may also be a good idea, if the same player had chatted 5
    times in as many seconds. it could likely slow some spammers.

    The flood filter I like because there is no case where anyone should be able to exeed the limit, i.e. try to flood the server with messages.

    I do see the benefits of the foul language auto mute policy as well, it’s just that I think the drawbacks are possibly too severe. Then again, why not have an option so that every server owner can make their own policy in that respect? I just feel that this is not the best option for the official servers, i.e. if foul language was to be considered a major problem I’d rather have more admins than an auto mute policy.

    #41245

    Willis
    Participant

    Well a reminder, just because the suggestion is made, does not automatically assign it to be only about the official servers. It really wouldn’t even need to be put to use on the officials, it’s just discussion if the idea in general is good. Maybe TraT would be the only server host in Scorched history to implement it, maybe not. But it’s the idea that counts.

    Also, BigBear I would tend to agree if we were talking along the lines of perm-mutes and multiple violations in the history of their gaming career…

    But I think TraT’s description of how something like this could function (Mutes would be variable, and only trigger a mute if X violations in a limited timespan.) is interesting.

    As far as being muted for the wrong reasons, that goes back to the person running the server and the players with their vocabulary.

    (for example) As an English only speaking person, if a person was to alter the filter to only work on English vocabulary swear-words.. I see no way multiple offenses could be considered a wrongful mute.

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