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  • #5664

    Deathstryker
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    I have a question leilei that I’ve been wondering about for the longest time…

    Why do you feel the need to concern yourself with the supposed unlawful issues of this game? Are you with a law firm or something? What exactly is your goal other than to be an annoyance? It’s not like you would actually care if we did get a lawsuit slapped on us.

    I mean, we’ve made it for 6 years without anyone complaining about these issues before or anyone complaining about us stealing anything from them. Given as such, I don’t think we’re crossing any lines. Is it really that big of a deal to you or do just like whining about things to make yourself seem higher than all of us?

    I know you said in another post that you were “helping” projects avoid doing copyright infringements. Does this mean that if we were to tell you that we didn’t want your help that you’d go away?

    I honestly don’t understand how Gavin remains so patient with you. I really don’t.

    I’m done ranting now.

    P.S.: I really do want to hear what your goal is.

    #43446

    Irishbandit
    Participant

    @deathstryker wrote:

    P.S.: I really do want to hear what your goal is.

    ME 2 ME 2!!!

    #43447

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    @leilei wrote:

    To help the copyright infraction issue with the current Scorched3D media I have created some replacements of certain non-Free files. I have used the tool lhfire to generate them.

    http://openarena.ws/crap/FreeExplode.zip

    There will be more to come.

    welP, I previously yanked down my posting ..after some thought that
    perhaps gcamp would rather me not intrude into such things..

    but as I notice & *completely* agree with DeathStrykers posting..

    heres my 2 cents..

    It seems quite abnormaly strange for the *only* one having this problem..
    to rock the boat and then turn around and hand out life preservers..

    what’s this persons major malfunction..

    even though its nice to *protect* our BELOVED game..
    and have someone point out possible issues..

    making threats in irc that you will be persistant in making this issue
    known.. tells me somethings wrong with you..

    and you are NOT our friend.. so it might be a good time & gesture
    on your part to clear the smoke & explain what the agenda & point
    of what you are doing here stressing out scorchers.

    downloading / joining a game community just to sift threw files to locate,
    point out, and threaten legal babbles.. hmf..

    only thing I can think of is game ratings *cough*jelousY*cough* ..
    personal Issue vendetas related to sorceforge?

    whats this persons agenda?..

    hm…..

    *waves my proud to be a pirate… ARRrrr badge*

    software is simply ones & zeros.. lighten up & move along

    SHOOO!! .. SHOOO!!!

    #43448

    leilei
    Participant

    @.-*-.ShoCkwaVe.-*-. wrote:

    what’s this persons major malfunction..

    the ability to understand is quite a malfunction.

    @deathstryker wrote:

    I know you said in another post that you were “helping” projects avoid doing copyright infringements. Does this mean that if we were to tell you that we didn’t want your help that you’d go away?

    I honestly don’t understand how Gavin remains so patient with you. I really don’t.

    It’s less of a want, and more of a need. Do you have any idea what the Free Software definition is?

    @deathstryker wrote:

    P.S.: I really do want to hear what your goal is.

    ……To Free the Software?

    #43449

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    @deathstryker wrote:

    P.S.: I really do want to hear what your goal is.

    @leilei wrote:

    ……To Free the Software?

    the ability to understand is quite a malfunction.

    perhaps, I understand more then you think I do, and it binds itself
    to the notion that some of us dont like the taste of bulL$%!^.

    what are you moses with an I heart billy gates poster?

    go free software somewhere else.. and dont forget your tinfoil hat..

    speaking of malfunctions.. *fart*

    #43450

    parasti
    Participant

    Uh, Shockwave, I suggest you take a step back and familiarise yourself with the concept of civility while you’re at it. You’re scaring people away.

    #43451

    ORCACommander
    Participant

    at least say excuse me for the stench you left in here 😛

    #43452

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    @parasti wrote:

    Uh, Shockwave, I suggest you take a step back and familiarise yourself with the concept of civility while you’re at it. You’re scaring people away.

    sorry about that but ive had just about enough of what this lie lol lie
    has to say here..

    I dont just bite for no reason, ive been watching this topic
    and staying informed from a distance and did not want to intrude
    into such matters.. grinding my teeth, and staying out of it as long
    as I possibly could.

    I even retracted some of my previous posts.. saying no I better not..
    but now I realize the more I think into it, this has become personal
    at a sertain point.. and I poPed..

    developer status aside I feel I have the right to speak my mind
    considering all that I have done for this game, comunity, and friends,
    and my contributions and helping others.

    maybe some of the newer crouds may just see scorched as *a* game..

    this is my hobby, and have grown to love it.. so I take it very personal
    when people come in here from *another* opensource game with threats
    of legal issues..when theres no real issue other then what she is plainly
    searching /hunting for..

    wich tells me they are not here to join or be apart of this community..
    nor play the game.. or be apart of what we have all at some point grown to love, but to cause trouble look for anything he/she can find to gather
    information/data *in their own interests* whatever that agenda may be
    and possibly threaten the games existance itself..

    now that the issues that *noone* had issues to begin with besides
    this lurker, is fixed.. she/he is still lurking around trying to spread
    free the software speeches..

    I am all for Informers Informing about possible issues to take care of..

    it’s the *way* she/he is doing it.. she/he could have simply kept this
    a private matter and wrote to gavin in a kind private scorched message.

    she could have sent him a kind email and after it was fixed left..
    she did *not* have to act as though she is a video game district atourney
    and judge that no one hired nor asked for to begin with.

    so you all dont misunderstand.. it offends me Greatly when people
    threaten the things I love, or love to do.. and plainly so.

    what is this not normal?…. and this somehow suprises some of you?
    well what suprises me, is that not many of you took it personaly enough.

    you all just stood there and watched with that stupid look on your faces.

    well I take that back..

    *clink* to wolfie, Deathstryker, and Irish.. and some others..
    they show they cared enough to say something also and have thus
    gained yet even more of my respect.

    so my ending statement to this hopefuly soon to be forgoten
    lei lol lie person is to tread lightly threw these waters..

    take your textures in the your crap folder & go back to your
    unheard of game & leave quietly..

    some are more aware of your presence then they need to be
    and not everyone will buy into what you are trying to sell.

    lastly I will be the first one to copy over those orriginal older exp01
    textures that you have a strange issue with into my mods
    just to prove my point.. so infringe on that..

    past this point I guess I have said all I can and will respectfuly
    maintain my usual quiet / fwuffy bunnYs & smiles composure..

    #43453

    parasti
    Participant

    @.-*-.ShoCkwaVe.-*-. wrote:

    they are not here to join or be apart of this community..
    nor play the game.. or be apart of what we have all at some point grown to love, but to cause trouble look for anything he/she can find to gather
    information/data *in their own interests* whatever that agenda may be
    and possibly threaten the games existance itself..

    Get a good night sleep and reread his comments. From my point of view what happened was that someone noticed some copyright problems with the game, decided to inform the developers and help replace the files in question. Nice conspiracy theory, but I think you’re the one overreacting.

    I am all for Informers Informing about possible issues to take care of..

    it’s the *way* she/he is doing it.. she/he could have simply kept this
    a private matter and wrote to gavin in a kind private scorched message.

    Then you have absolutely no idea how open-source development works.

    *clink* to wolfie, Deathstryker, and Irish.. and some others..
    they show they cared enough to say something also and have thus
    gained yet even more of my respect.

    And you’ve just lost all of mine. Not that you care much either way, but just know that many people would simply leave this game and this community after discovering that a developer is incapable of having a reasonable discussion and immediately resorts to name calling and childish insults after hearing something he doesn’t like to hear. If I didn’t know that there are other very nice people here, that’s what I would have done.

    #43454

    Deathstryker
    Participant

    Alright guys. Let’s get back on track. We’re going in the wrong direction.

    You’re not helping the situation any either parasti.

    I’m sorry I started all of this.

    Let’s ALL regain our calmness so I don’t have to close the thread.

    #43455

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    @parasti wrote:

    Get a good night sleep and reread his comments.

    had some and re-read my own.. I dont feel any differently.

    @parasti wrote:

    From my point of view

    you have yours and we have ours.

    @parasti wrote:

    what happened was that someone noticed some copyright problems with the game, decided to inform the developers and help replace the files in question.

    yes I see the topic just fine and understand she offered to share some
    textures that if you will notice are located in & labeled *my crap folder*
    this is just where I chose to come out of my low key cave and vent
    out defensive plumes of taken too far/personaly justly anger towards
    these attacks at scorched3d.

    @parasti wrote:

    Nice conspiracy theory, but I think you’re the one overreacting.

    see I guess this is where you dont understand..
    I have been observing this person rock the boat in
    more places then *just* this post..

    this topic has been going on in IRC, Sourceforge, and many other
    threads.. and oddly so.

    You dont seem to be able to see past this post or what the person has said
    and done in the past so you might want to be the one stepping
    back until you gather all the facts before you can claim to have
    all the answers or think you understand whats going on.

    ask yourself one question here if you would.. why didnt this person
    just keep it (private) in an email or in an (private) message..
    rather then ranting threats about the topic
    not only in the puplics eye, but also in other public places
    other then Scorched3D?

    @parasti wrote:

    Then you have absolutely no idea how open-source development works

    I am very well aware of how open source developement works..
    and have so for a long time.. open source and apropriate places to
    address legal threats and related infringement topics in an open
    discussions public forum are two different things..

    especialy when these issues are brought to the
    table in the mannor in wich they where.

    there are better ways I would have gone about asking for changes..
    such as pointing out such an issue privately or pointing out the problem
    privately to the only person who could make those changes and offering
    help in a private email to the lead developer.. nicely..and kindly asking.

    demanding as though she had rights to do so in the mannor & way
    I have a problem with.. especialy when the fact that she is coming
    from another opensource rated game to here with ranting threats.
    wich I am concluding is where the orriginal source problem has started
    from & agenda… without regards to anyone but that goal in mind

    to confuse, agrivate, while shoveling on the time consuming crap piles
    of stress aimed & directed @ our lead developers time.

    causes and reasonings are still a little iffy @ this point
    I highly doubt these peoples reasons are because they
    suddenly stumbled across & recognized a copyrighted
    textured file that was in a very old game they somehow
    remebered & took notice/offended them..
    when its not even the same game they came from or are
    working in to begin with…

    thats more so the part that raises a bright neon flag saying
    un doubtidy theres something wrong with this picture.

    but ile keep observing.. shouldnt take long..

    g, these money grubbing game marketing firms are getting
    more agressive these days arent they?

    heh, I remember the good ole days blue boxes & when modems
    first hit the shelf and I seem to recall downloading my first games
    zork & kings quest from pirates cove dialup access numbers..
    the times before the net.. atari, pong, and chessmaster.

    them where the good ole days.. *sigh* now all this advertisents, spam,
    & drama crap to brainwash the soul..

    I cry out in my sleep sometimes.. I will NOT be asemelated!!

    but they dont ever listen.

    some might not have a nose for noticing crap when he
    smells it.. but mine smells just fine and it knows the smell
    of a stinker from a mile away.

    while *others* are walking around with doggy doo on their shoes..

    @parasti wrote:

    And you’ve just lost all of mine.

    cant win them all I spose..

    @parasti wrote:

    but just know that many people would simply leave this
    game and this community after discovering that a developer is incapable
    of having a reasonable discussion and immediately resorts to name calling

    hmm, I dont see any names being called.. besides
    moses with an I heart billy gates poster..

    sorry does that offend you? offend you enough to run away scared?
    because you haven’t left yet so I was just wondering.

    @parasti wrote:

    and childish insults after hearing something he doesn’t
    like to hear.

    please tell me the passions/hobbies/things that you mostly enjoy doing
    in this world and spent an average 5-6 hours a day learning & working
    on for an average of 3 years and then let someone make threats to
    remove all that hard work.

    .. then come talk to me son.

    until then you dont know me very well and have no right to question
    (or) judge the reasonings & moral fibers I have.

    @parasti wrote:

    If I didn’t know that there are other very nice people
    here, that’s what I would have done.

    yes there are several including myself but when you threaten to
    knock away the dogs bone he growls..

    so dont act suprised when he bites.

    my quarrel wasnt with you nor with anyone else at this time
    but for some strange reason you feel it rightfuly to commend
    this lie lol lie persons actions.. and defend of all people

    her?

    I see your new here.. and a few things flew above your head..
    and you missed some important facts but it’s nice to know where
    you stand in all this.. and im sure others are taking notice too.

    .. so I wont even go there..

    but just for the sake of this debate I have a question & suggestion..

    ever notice in Medieval times of war ..

    theres always one who comes out of the legions of armys
    and stands in front.. pulling out his claymore sword and yelling the
    word chaRRRRge!!

    and then just before the sound of the earth shaking
    take notice that theres always a few running away..?

    I am simply one of those who chose to step up to the
    oposing side of the arguement / threat.. and im more then sure im
    not the only one who feels the same here so you might be left standing
    out alone with the crickets in the end..

    so if you had any sense you might want to be one of those
    few that runs away piddleing on themselves
    .

    after all as you see she hasnt had much to respond to me with..
    so why are you still here?

    cheers

    #43456

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    @deathstryker wrote:

    I’m sorry I started all of this.

    you didnt start this deathstryker and you shouldnt feel self blame
    of any sort.. you & every scorcher should have right to
    question/address this matter in so wichever way you feel is right.

    this is a simple debate wich has become an open to the public
    forums topic that needed to be addressed properly..

    where I am simply stateing the facts & my opinions..
    seeing as she has hers to rant /rave /preech about.

    I see no reason that I shouldnt be able to keep this debate
    civil.. but, with all due respect.. im very in flamed about attacks
    that stress out & delay lead developers time away from more
    important things to deal with.. such as finishing up our new release!

    however .. it is a debate.. and there are 2 sides..

    just expressing myself.. but I get your drift

    no throwing things & yelling obsenaties or name calling 😉
    threats seem to be free game though as she feels its ok to..

    #43457

    .–.ShoCkwaVe.–.
    Participant

    [edit] mumbles.. [/edit]

    may have been too much there.. so i retracted..

    bd put this topic back!

    #43458

    Viking62
    Participant

    From OpenArena: leilol–>Link Posted on Scorched forum/Offtopic.Tis free


    Summary – leilol
    Name: leilol
    Custom Title: I AM THE LEADER
    Posts: 805 (0.970 per day)
    Position: Administrator
    Date Registered: March 27, 2005, 11:59:59 am
    Last Active: Today at 04:54:25 pm


    Why can’t you go play in your own sandbox where you are the leader?
    I kinda think you have a complex internal matter of overagendizing(Is that a word?)-A slighty overstimulated ego maybe? If ya get off on badgering people just to see how they react;PM me…I have time to par-lay with you. Cofusious say: If ya aint gonna do the job-get off da toilet ❗ Quit badgering these fine people-Go back to your own soapbox!

    #43459

    leilei
    Participant

    i had a soap box?

    and this is all over the word ‘crap’, being my random unsorted stuff folder on the web server, taken as a ‘big threatening insult’ to scorched3d?

    Wow. Manipulative.

    Get over it. You’re embarassing yourselves.

    Why does this topic even exist still?

    I guess with dumb idiots for ‘developers’ unable to understand, I just simply won’t contribute Free assets to scorched anymore. Live with nice GPL violations, then. Goodbye

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